Author Topic: ACMs and info (Read 4821 times)

gofaster · « **Reply #30 on:** January 12, 2004, 09:14:49 AM »

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Originally posted by Shane
methinks you need some time with me in the DA.

I don't DA. Sorry.

I'm addicted to killing LA-7s in the MA with my Corsair. Much more entertaining watching the n00bs come screaming down with the throttle wide open.

Shane · « **Reply #31 on:** January 12, 2004, 09:18:19 AM »

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Originally posted by gofaster
I don't DA. Sorry. I'm addicted to killing LA-7s in the MA with my Corsair. Much more entertaining watching the n00bs come screaming down with the throttle wide open.

no. you misunderstand. it's not a challenge. it's an offer to edjumacate.

gofaster · « **Reply #32 on:** January 12, 2004, 09:37:45 AM »

Thanks for the offer, but I kinda find dueling one vs one to be kind of boring unless there's something to strafe after one of us wins, particularly in LA-7s. Its not really a plane I like to fly. I've tried it but I prefer the Yak9U for pure dogfighting. There are so many LA-7 pilots in the MA that the plane has lost its quirkiness. I'm all about quirky. Hence the reason I've flown the Ki-61, P-51B, Spitfire V, 190A8, and 109G2, and now the F4U-1D. Those are planes that aren't really seen all that much, not in the numbers of N1ks, P-51Ds, LA-7s, and Spitfire IXs.

mars01 · « **Reply #33 on:** January 12, 2004, 10:13:53 AM »

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Easiest way to kill an LA7 is to let him get to around 1.2 behind you and then chop throttle, drop flaps, and roll with a bit of rudder until he flies past, then pop him.

LOLH I kill so many planes that do that manuever, if it is a 1 v1 I'll slow down with the the plane tuck behind and kill em, or if it is busy I'll yo yo and get the kill.

and 1.2 seems a little early - I would have so much time to react youd be dead.

SlapShot · « **Reply #34 on:** January 12, 2004, 12:06:43 PM »

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Originally posted by gofaster
Thanks for the offer, but I kinda find dueling one vs one to be kind of boring unless there's something to strafe after one of us wins, particularly in LA-7s. Its not really a plane I like to fly. I've tried it but I prefer the Yak9U for pure dogfighting. There are so many LA-7 pilots in the MA that the plane has lost its quirkiness. I'm all about quirky. Hence the reason I've flown the Ki-61, P-51B, Spitfire V, 190A8, and 109G2, and now the F4U-1D. Those are planes that aren't really seen all that much, not in the numbers of N1ks, P-51Ds, LA-7s, and Spitfire IXs.

I think he meant La-7 vs Corsair to make you more deadlier ... then again I could be wrong.

Steve · « **Reply #35 on:** January 12, 2004, 12:36:37 PM »

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Easiest way to kill an LA7 is to let him get to around 1.2 behind you and then chop throttle, drop flaps, and roll with a bit of rudder until he flies past, then pop him.

I bet this move works on a lot of people in the MA. However, it is very risky. The rare time you run into a true vet, or me, you'll be playing right into their hands. If you are voluntarily surrendering E, you are doing my job for me. I'll go up at an angle that does not afford you a gun solution, then YO-YO back down on your now foundering plane. A tougher move to deal with is the guy that ducks out of the way, then gets back in line for a shot at you. Levi is very adept at this, Drex too.(several others too, sorry for not mentioning)

Jackal1 · « **Reply #36 on:** January 12, 2004, 12:53:26 PM »

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Originally posted by hitech
And use the film viewer to find out how you got beat.

HiTech

Thanks HT. It`s strange after playing for a while that some of the more simple , yet most effective things are taken for granted.

gofaster · « **Reply #37 on:** January 12, 2004, 02:01:03 PM »

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Originally posted by Steve
I bet this move works on a lot of people in the MA. However, it is very risky. The rare time you run into a true vet, or me, you'll be playing right into their hands. If you are voluntarily surrendering E, you are doing my job for me. I'll go up at an angle that does not afford you a gun solution, then YO-YO back down on your now foundering plane. A tougher move to deal with is the guy that ducks out of the way, then gets back in line for a shot at you. Levi is very adept at this, Drex too.(several others too, sorry for not mentioning)

I didn't know you flew the LA-7, Steve. I thought you stuck to 'stangs. Levi does Spit V mostly, and that move certainly wouldn't work on a Spit V. So, really, other than Shane, who else flies an LA-7 as a regular ride? n00bs.

gofaster · « **Reply #38 on:** January 12, 2004, 02:01:53 PM »

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Originally posted by SlapShot
I think he meant La-7 vs Corsair to make you more deadlier ... then again I could be wrong.

If he wanted to show me the LA-7, why would I be in a Corsair?

gofaster · « **Reply #39 on:** January 12, 2004, 02:04:26 PM »

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Originally posted by mars01
LOLH I kill so many planes that do that manuever, if it is a 1 v1 I'll slow down with the the plane tuck behind and kill em, or if it is busy I'll yo yo and get the kill.

and 1.2 seems a little early - I would have so much time to react youd be dead.

LA-7 won't decelerate as quickly as a Corsair (F4U can drop gear earlier as additional braking). The reason for 1.2 is the rate of closure relative to the two planes. Distance can be shorter based on disparity of relative velocities. The gist is to force the overshoot and get out of the way, so long as you can catch the guy with his throttle wide open.

hitech · « **Reply #40 on:** January 12, 2004, 02:12:42 PM »

gofaster you might wish to find out what a lag turn or yoyo is to prevent overshoots. Chopping thottle /droping gear is not a wise thing to do. Basicly you wan't to fly farthar instead of slower.

HiTech

mars01 · « **Reply #41 on:** January 12, 2004, 02:22:10 PM »

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LA-7 won't decelerate as quickly as a Corsair (F4U can drop gear earlier as additional braking).

Sure will drop the throttle and kick the rudder, pull up the nose into a slight yoyo - good buy hog. If you want we can do it in the DA.

Your manuever is a noob killer for sure but it will not work on a seasoned pilot that is awake.

gofaster · « **Reply #42 on:** January 12, 2004, 02:31:34 PM »

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Originally posted by hitech
gofaster you might wish to find out what a lag turn or yoyo is to prevent overshoots. Chopping thottle /droping gear is not a wise thing to do. Basicly you wan't to fly farthar instead of slower.

HiTech

I use the lag turn myself. Works well in the B-stang when chasing the D-stangs.

Typically, once I see the guy go into a lag turn behind me, or go out-of-plane into a yo-yo, I know what he's doing. Usual result is a wobbly scissors as we both yo-yo around bleeding speed until one or both of us either stalls or drops nose and runs. LA-7s aren't going to out-turn a Corsair dumping speed, and once they realize that they usually run away. Tail shot with .50cals at d600 can usually knock loose a flap or a rudder.

gofaster · « **Reply #43 on:** January 12, 2004, 02:33:35 PM »

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Originally posted by mars01
Your manuever is a noob killer for sure but it will not work on a seasoned pilot that is awake.

Very few maneuvers will work against a seasoned pilot that is awake.

That it works against n00bs is playing the percentages that fly LA-7s.

Steve · « **Reply #44 on:** January 12, 2004, 02:35:17 PM »

Well, you got me there.. I have an aversion to flying the la7.

Hitech's comment is akin to my comment about voluntarily surrendering E. I'm not really an ACM expert, but I really try to horde my E and make the most out of it. It's why your comment interested me.

Like I said, I can see why your manuever would work against lots of folks in the MA, but you have more guts than I do. I'd be concerned about the next 2 or 6 guys coming in after I gave up that E. This is the absolute funnest part of the game for me though. To me, it's almost like a chess game, (the furball).
Along that line, I'd use a displacement move rather than your nifty "chop and drop". I'm already thinking about how to kill his friend after I shoot the first guy down. Still, I bet that move gets you some nice 1v1's. It's cool that you make it work for you.