Author Topic: ACMs and info (Read 4838 times)

mars01 · « **Reply #45 on:** January 12, 2004, 02:38:26 PM »

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LA-7s aren't going to out-turn a Corsair dumping speed, and once they realize that they usually run away. Tail shot with .50cals at d600 can usually knock loose a flap or a rudder.

I fly the hog as much as the MA will allow, I would love to check out your results and see how you out turn an LA7 with it. I agree, I can out turn a noob LA7 that is not very good on the throttle in an hog, but I still think if you run into a vet your dead. Would you be interested in going to training or DA to see? Not a challenge, just a search for the actuality of this.

gofaster · « **Reply #46 on:** January 12, 2004, 02:40:31 PM »

I can't take credit for it, though. I learned it after the second time I lost a Spitfire to a Corsair against the Knights on the deck. After my wing separated, I realized that he was at full flaps with gear down. Can't remember the pilot's name offhand.

gofaster · « **Reply #47 on:** January 12, 2004, 02:42:22 PM »

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Originally posted by mars01
I fly the hog as much as the MA will allow, I would love to check out your results and see how you out turn an LA7 with it. I agree, I can out turn a noob LA7 that is not very good on the throttle in an hog, but I still think if you run into a vet your dead. Would you be interested in going to training or DA to see? Not a challenge, just a search for the actuality of this.

I won't be online for a few more days; after-work volleyball commitments until Thursday. Check back then and we'll do some testing.

mars01 · « **Reply #48 on:** January 12, 2004, 02:44:57 PM »

Cool,

I look forward to it. Anything I can pick up to become a better hog pilot. 8)

SlapShot · « **Reply #49 on:** January 12, 2004, 03:43:29 PM »

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Originally posted by gofaster
LA-7 won't decelerate as quickly as a Corsair (F4U can drop gear earlier as additional braking). The reason for 1.2 is the rate of closure relative to the two planes. Distance can be shorter based on disparity of relative velocities. The gist is to force the overshoot and get out of the way, so long as you can catch the guy with his throttle wide open.

Not gangin' up on ya here gofaster, but I have to go along with Mars on this one ...

I have a fair amount of experience in the La-7 and have run into many a HOG that tried "air-brakes" thing-a-ma-bob.

My preferred counter is a zoom with a high yo-yo or rollover. That slows or stops the closer and puts E back in my pocket, while you have just lost a tremendous amount of E. At this point, you are in deep yogurt.

I do agree that most noobs in an La-7, their first reaction is to try and flat turn with you, which I am sure results in the scenario that you described with you pulling inside on their turn.

Cobra412 · « **Reply #50 on:** January 12, 2004, 06:55:04 PM »

I guess I do something similiar to that maneuver and will only do it against a opponent with a decent amount of energy. I'll never try it though against something with as good of a roll rate or better than mine.

I typically start mine in a shallow nose down left or right bank at approximately 1k out. So long as there closure rate stays fairly high and doesn't seem to be dropping off I'll keep pulling gently back on the stick. At approximately 400 to 500 out I'll complete a hard pull back then almost instantly going roll wings level and up to an inverted position. At that time I'll reaquire the target and roll back across our initial heading or roll away from there direction and extending out. So long as I have decent altitude to complete a a split s at the top if things go bad I seem to be fairly safe. But then again I have yet to learn the finer points of dogfighting.

I rarely run into some of the better sticks in the game even though I'm up looking. And I've only been flying for 6 months with very little one on one training.

mars01 · « **Reply #51 on:** January 12, 2004, 09:38:55 PM »

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Originally posted by Cobra412
I rarely run into some of the better sticks in the game even though I'm up looking. And I've only been flying for 6 months with very little one on one training.

And the Pat Myself on the Back Society would like to give this one a Ten. A root too tootin, way to go, to you Cobra.

Yes note the reach around he gives himself and 3 firm pats direcly on the center of his own back Well done!

lolhrotff. I couldnt resist:D

Cobra412 · « **Reply #52 on:** January 12, 2004, 09:54:50 PM »

Actually Mars I was saying that I do infact still need experience but obviously your oh so greatness is only an *** that lacks enough intelligence to comprehend my statement.

It is infact extrahunks like you that make this game what it is and it's why no one but your own get better. Your so full of yourself you can't step back a second from your throne to make the enviroment a more challenging place to be. But ofcourse I'm sure you like it that way as it makes your job easier since you obviously are so great at flying an online sim.

I only wrote what I did because I can actually take constructive critism and I find that some unlike yourself are very willing to help. If my tactic is a mistake then maybe someone would help me refine it or try something else. But yet again you ofcourse are far from my unworthy skills that your ready to go jump into a real fighter and show the world what your made of.

mars01 · « **Reply #53 on:** January 12, 2004, 10:30:28 PM »

OMG dude just having a little fun with ya. Holy crap get a grip dude. Lay off the coffee. lolh Looks like we have asensitive one here 8)

Cobra412 · « **Reply #54 on:** January 12, 2004, 10:35:09 PM »

Mars at first I figured you were a fairly decent guy as most of your squad seems that way. By trying to verbally abuse me on here just shows your class. Long live the 2 year AH wonders that believe they are gods.

mars01 · « **Reply #55 on:** January 12, 2004, 10:37:41 PM »

Dude crack a smile and learn to laugh at yourself. You wont last ten mins here if you dont. ~~and no hard feelings.~~

Cobra412 · « **Reply #56 on:** January 12, 2004, 10:46:55 PM »

cc Mars .

It just gets rather old when folks seem to think that verbal abuse is a way to go about things. Look at channel 1 and every night it's the same bs beings spouted off by the same whining children. Ho this HO that, ram dweeb, spit dweeb, ect...

Whats even more funny is it's the people who've played this since the beginning. It's those folks who you'd think would have learned how to avoid such things and been able to grow up enough to not trash talk. But until HT does something with these folks AH will never change. Slowly but surely folks who rather enjoy the game will leave. Channel 1 trash talk gets rather old. I deal with whining brats like this at work all the time. AH is suppose to be my relaxation from my normal life, not dealing with abunch of over grown 8 year olds.

mars01 · « **Reply #57 on:** January 12, 2004, 10:54:35 PM »

Yeah I guess so man,

It's just that alot of people here have a very sarcastic sense of humor and are ball breakers. And for the real di#ks. F23k em.

Cobra412 · « **Reply #58 on:** January 12, 2004, 11:48:58 PM »

True Mars...Guess I'll just have to figure out the hard way who the jokers are and who th d1ks are. Again I've only been playing this for around 6 months so first impressions of some aren't that great. I've dealt with this in the FPS's so I guess I shouldn't expect any different from some here.

gofaster · « **Reply #59 on:** January 13, 2004, 07:48:44 AM »

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Originally posted by SlapShot
My preferred counter is a zoom with a high yo-yo or rollover. That slows or stops the closer and puts E back in my pocket, while you have just lost a tremendous amount of E. At this point, you are in deep yogurt.

I do agree that most noobs in an La-7, their first reaction is to try and flat turn with you, which I am sure results in the scenario that you described with you pulling inside on their turn.

So, if I understand correctly, as soon as you realize you're going to overshoot, you pull up then roll-over. So how do you pull back down inside the Corsair's turn if he counters your high yo-yo with a nose-up yo-yo of his own? Wouldn't you end up in a wobbly yo-yo with the slower aircraft eventually ending up inside the turn of the faster aircraft?