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Offline Jackal1

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« on: January 07, 2004, 07:54:47 AM »
Due to the evident lack of ACM knowledge and game knowledge in general in the MA let`s see if we can get some info out there for players. I believe one of the most unread things in AH is the manual or the help files.
  Please post your favorite ACM/game info sites here or share your favorite manuevers, etc.
  I`ll start it out with http://www.netaces.org . This is a very very helpfull site.
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« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2004, 09:36:20 AM »
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« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2004, 10:02:39 AM »
IMHO the best way to learn is to die a lot.  Reading descriptions of manuevers is a good way to get killed without learning anything.  "Hmm, the Me-109 book says to execute a steep, spiraling climb, but he was able to follow and shoot me down anyway.  Back to the Niki for me".  

SA, energy/angles management, and timing can't be learned by reading about them.

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« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2004, 10:27:04 AM »
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IMHO the best way to learn is to die a lot.  Reading descriptions of manuevers is a good way to get killed without learning anything.  "Hmm, the Me-109 book says to execute a steep, spiraling climb, but he was able to follow and shoot me down anyway.  Back to the Niki for me".  


I have to agree..  I never read a single paragraph from those websites.
« Last Edit: January 07, 2004, 12:20:20 PM by WldThing »

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« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2004, 11:28:25 AM »
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I have two agree..  I never read a single paragraph from those websites.


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« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2004, 11:32:03 AM »
All most people do in AH is cut throttle and stick stir till the person attacking passes them.  Its sick. :D
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« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2004, 12:36:29 PM »
i think the only way to get the noobs looking at the websites is to highlight the websites when they enter the main in there 2 week's


but i think that 90% of these BB guys are not noobs
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« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2004, 01:01:50 PM »
When are you considered "not a Noob" anymore?  Just asking..

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« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2004, 01:01:56 PM »
cmon -

ACM are easy.


ROOK - Climb really, really, really high - dive down really, really fast get shot by a knight.

BISH - Fly to any knight they see, get shot down.

KNIGHT - Fly to 8k and kill all fighters.:D

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« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2004, 07:37:57 PM »
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IMHO the best way to learn is to die a lot.  Reading descriptions of manuevers is a good way to get killed without learning anything.  "Hmm, the Me-109 book says to execute a steep, spiraling climb, but he was able to follow and shoot me down anyway.  Back to the Niki for me".  

SA, energy/angles management, and timing can't be learned by reading about them.

ra


Well I can agree with part of that.  The best way is to take them to the DA.  Each time you kick their arse you tell them what they are doing wrong.  When they stop doing things wrong, then you tell them the counters you are using to still kick their arse.  Unfortunately nobody wants to take the time to do that.  Or ego's are too big to share information in that setting.

If an artical on a site can get the reader to look at a situation they dont understand from a fresh perspective, it can be worth weeks or months of dying.

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« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2004, 02:28:01 AM »
Murdr,
I'd do it that way except I don't know how to explain what they're doing wrong.
It's mainly a few things most of the time:
1) don't know how to control the stall hard enough. Kind of like learning to drift in a car.
2) don't know hot to aim. Ballistics, relative speed, angle, distance.
3) don't know how to read the other's E
4) don't know how to manage their E. "What do you mean energy??"
4.a) don't know when to or when they are slow(ing) down
4.b) don't know when to or when they are stay(ing) fast

4a,4b are very easy of course.  But untill they know how to do at least the first two, if not three, how do you teach them complex stuff.. Like teaching topology to beginning arithmetic students, or teaching a black belt pattern to a 1 week white belt.

The thing I did the most for my first few weeks, and then a bit less for the first months, was drills offline for an hour or so.

And just telling them to go do that by themselves, I can almost hear their teeth grinding in boredom.  To be there with them for hours at a time just becomes work, I dunno if I'm a jerk or what, but I'm just not good at having fun doing that.
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« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2004, 09:51:40 AM »
Some of the above is exactly why I put this post up to begin with. In the MA over and over and over again you see peeps grinding out the "learn some ACM" -"Learn to fly"-"Learn the game" text messages.
  I asked for info and ACM sites to be shared and get mostly negative , nonhelpfull comments. Same as in the MA.
  I feel most newcomers come to the BBS for info initialy and this is what they get , just like the MA , so they don`t come back as they find it uninformative and unhelpfull.
  If negative is all you can come up with , fine. Can`t you just keep it to yourself?
  If anyone wants to share some informative info or sites , please do.
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« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2004, 10:15:04 AM »
notes to noobs...

1- fly plane thru hanger......easy you say.

2- fly plane thru hanger.....inverted.

3- fly plane thru hanger....pull up in big loop....come down thru hanger again.

4- fly thru VH hanger...good luck.

these are simply things you can do to learn to CONTROL your plane.....once you have achieved this....ask a VET to show you some basic STALL manuevers....how to keep plane from spinning AFTER performin a STALL....these are KNIFE fight manuevers...or TnB

then learn from a VET what BnZ is all about.

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« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2004, 11:14:32 AM »
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Well I can agree with part of that.  The best way is to take them to the DA.  Each time you kick their arse you tell them what they are doing wrong.  When they stop doing things wrong, then you tell them the counters you are using to still kick their arse.  Unfortunately nobody wants to take the time to do that.  Or ego's are too big to share information in that setting.


Ive probebly taken half of my squad into the DA over the months ive been in AOM.. Giving instructions to fellas that may not be up to par with my skills is a satisfying thing,  since i know i will need them to clear me next time we hit the MA..

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« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2004, 11:17:17 AM »
I would take someone to the DA, but first of all Im a poor bastige, second of all, I'd be teaching them how to suck! :D