best outcome from space exploration:

[GODO]

Originally posted by NUKE
Transformation? what do you mean humans can touch and feel transformation? That's funny.

And, BTW, if there was no creation, how could anything exist? If something exists, wasn't it created? The "concept" of creation...lol

What we see is things/energy being transformed, never created from nothing. We also cant see destruction, we see again transformations. But someway we have the concepts of creation/destruction saved into our "roms". But, at the same time, we believe into a God that was not created and that cant be destroyed, that God always existed and will always exists. But, is that God able to transform itself?

If we mix the concept of transformation with the concept of God, the result is that everything would be the result of a transformation of God, and, again, nothing was created from nothing, and nothing can be destroyed as everything would be part of that God.

[ufo_peeps]

Originally posted by GODO
What we see is things/energy being transformed, never created from nothing. We also cant see destruction, we see again transformations. But someway we have the concepts of creation/destruction saved into our "roms". But, at the same time, we believe into a God that was not created and that cant be destroyed, that God always existed and will always exists. But, is that God able to transform itself?

If we mix the concept of transformation with the concept of God, the result is that everything would be the result of a transformation of God, and, again, nothing was created from nothing, and nothing can be destroyed as everything would be part of that God.

You are light years ahead of the average theologian. No comprende keptain.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by kappa
would have to be proof of life on other planets... or life in other areas of the universe...

Perhaps then, man, realizing he is not alone in the universe, would toss aside religious books and realize they were not written by gods, but by his fellow man and thus not w/out sin...

yes, imagine a world with no religion... its easy if you try...

 FUNKED REPLIES: "yes, imagine a world with no negroes or homosexuals.. its easy if you try... "

Kappa I think its obvious you have some issues with tolerance.

[Skuzzy]

Uncalled for Grun, fix it.

[kappa]

Originally posted by GODO
What we see is things/energy being transformed, never created from nothing. We also cant see destruction, we see again transformations. But someway we have the concepts of creation/destruction saved into our "roms". But, at the same time, we believe into a God that was not created and that cant be destroyed, that God always existed and will always exists. But, is that God able to transform itself?

If we mix the concept of transformation with the concept of God, the result is that everything would be the result of a transformation of God, and, again, nothing was created from nothing, and nothing can be destroyed as everything would be part of that God.

I think I get it... We are applying mans law that the sum of all matter and all energy in the universe is a constant.... that energy and matter cannot be destroyed..

But, I have trouble taking that one step farther. Maybe. Your not saying God is the sum of matter and energy, just that that sum is apart of God..?? That I think I can comprehend...

[GRUNHERZ]

Thanks skuzzy.

[GODO]

Originally posted by kappa
But, I have trouble taking that one step farther. Maybe. Your not saying God is the sum of matter and energy, just that that sum is apart of God..?? That I think I can comprehend...

This is another good question, If we admit that all matter and energy is part of God, is God that plus something, or just the sum of all matter and energy? In any case, that therory kills the concept of pure creation from nothing and pure destruction.

[kappa]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Kappa I think its obvious you have some issues with tolerance.

How ironic your intolerant of my (seeming to you) intolerant post.. Almost as ironic as the post pointed out yesterday...

[GRUNHERZ]

See what funked wrote, thats what you are - and yes I'll get upset at attitudes like that kappa.

You are no different than Jerry Fallwell or Pat Robertson (religious extremists - not representative of people of faith as you would no doubt want to belive), full of the same ignorant fear and hatred.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Religion is something mankind created, belief in a singularity (a God if you will) is an entirely different subject.
-SW

Not necessarily.

6 entries found for religion.
re·li·gion    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (r-ljn)
n.

1. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.

2. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.

3. The life or condition of a person in a religious order.

4. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.

5. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.

[miko2d]

kappa: yes, imagine a world with no religion... its easy if you try...

 Most people are inherently predisposed towards being religious - if by religion we understand a more general notion of "irrational belief", not just adherence to a traditional church.

 There are plenty of reasonable speculations how and why such tendency would develop through evolution as a survival trait.

 Most people who are claiming to be non-religious or outright atelists hold one or more irrational beliefs - often militantly so. They take on trust what seems absourd to many, they refuse to read the opponent's arguments, sticking only to their own literature,  sometimes they even refer to some forces and principles of nature that have no natural basis.

 People believe in state being all-knowing and all-powerfull - which was an aburd notion 150 years ago. People believe in environmentalism, socialism, all kinds of other utopias and distopias. People believe in inherent superiority of one ethnicity over another one.

 Those are all religions. The conventional religions have at least an advantage of passing through growing pains and settling in a non-radical, conducive to civilisation patterns.
 It's easy to explain - thoug I will not do it here - that most newly- appearing quasi-religions filling the gap will be of much more disruptive nature.

 In short, conventional religion(s) is an adaptive survival feature developed by humanity.

 miko

[kappa]

Originally posted by GODO
This is another good question, If we admit that all matter and energy is part of God, is God that plus something, or just the sum of all matter and energy? In any case, that therory kills the concept of pure creation from nothing and pure destruction.

So, instead of being tree huggers (im a tree hugger I think) we'd be star huggers? Believe in the cosmos like some believe in mother nature?? Could be..

The Mayans thought so.. They did not see chaos throughout the universe... They saw order in the heavens. From their Tzolkin (ritual), Haab (earth cycles), Tun-uc (moon cycles) calanders to the Fibonacci spiral or sacred geometry, they saw only a predefined happenings.. or better said, a reason for all happenings..

So, perhaps God could be more of an order for things rather than an individual hangin in the heavens.. Never really thought of it like that..

[kappa]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
See what funked wrote, thats what you are - and yes I'll get upset at attitudes like that kappa.

You are no different than Jerry Fallwell or Pat Robertson (religious extremists - not representative of people of faith as you would no doubt want to belive), full of the same ignorant fear and hatred.

lol Grun.. tell me how I am...

[kappa]

lol im still laughin at being called a jerry fallwell or pat robertson.. Send me your donations folks!! I preach the truth here!!

lmfao.. wow! where does it come from.. I wasnt preaching racisim like grun has said.. I dont get it.. What gives??

[Dowding]

All gods are false, faith is idoltry. The need to believe is a human weakness.

There does seem to be a lot of mysticism still around with regards to space. I guess it stems from the scale of it - humans have never been conditioned to think in terms of the universe's magnitude. There's some very abstract mathematical concepts around which are so counter-intuitive the whole thing might as well be driven by magic.