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Yeager · « **Reply #30 on:** January 11, 2004, 04:43:15 PM »

majic,

Go outside into the garden, find a nice porous round little chub of a rock and engage it in a thoughtful discussion. The results you achieve there will far outweigh any result you could have with that type of persona in here.

Of course I do not mean to suggest that the discourse in here is any less entertaining

Virage · « **Reply #31 on:** January 11, 2004, 07:39:37 PM »

using the tragedy of 9/11 as an excuse to advance a political agenda against iraq is a very, very bad thing.

midnight Target · « **Reply #32 on:** January 11, 2004, 07:44:34 PM »

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Originally posted by Kieran
This story is a total non-starter.

I'm afraid I'm gonna have to agree with Kieren here. The quotes from his book sound like so much spin. If there was really something to tell he should have done better.

Martlet · « **Reply #33 on:** January 11, 2004, 08:02:06 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
I'm afraid I'm gonna have to agree with Kieren here. The quotes from his book sound like so much spin. If there was really something to tell he should have done better.

And I'm going to have to agree with MT.

If for no other reason, I can at least come back in 3 years and tell everyone about the time MT and I agreed.

midnight Target · « **Reply #34 on:** January 12, 2004, 08:21:59 AM »

In other news... snowball fights have broken out all over Hell.

lazs2 · « **Reply #35 on:** January 12, 2004, 08:25:55 AM »

nakhooey... the oil reserves will run out in the 1990's. I read it in the papers and in time magazine in the 1960's. I had a professor who told me that also.

lazs

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #36 on:** January 12, 2004, 08:33:03 AM »

I disagree that he was influenced by Liberals.

However, I can almost guarantee that he's saying these things to get more attention and sell books.

Just like Michale Moore.

Nefarious · « **Reply #37 on:** January 12, 2004, 09:07:53 AM »

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Originally posted by Kieran
Nak-

The point is this isn't at all a revelation. I wasn't at any board meetings, and I knew we'd be back in Iraq. I knew it in '91. I said then "10 years". I admit my prognostication skills were awry, and I missed it by a couple years, but you can't be seriously trying to say this whole thing comes as a surprise.

Back In Iraq?

We bombed the hell out of them in 1991, and continued to bomb them on and off till we declared a end to major hostilities in 2003.

Making it nearly a 12 year conflict with Iraq.

Nakhui · « **Reply #38 on:** January 12, 2004, 09:10:05 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
nakhooey... the oil reserves will run out in the 1990's. I read it in the papers and in time magazine in the 1960's. I had a professor who told me that also.

Lazy,

I've never heard 1990... but I can imagine in 1960 and the state of technology back then someone making a best quess and coming up with that estimate.

Science has evolved just a little bit since then...

The known reserves are limited and the estimates that I have seen is they'll run out in about 80 years.

Nakhui · « **Reply #39 on:** January 12, 2004, 09:16:42 AM »

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Originally posted by lasersailor184
I disagree that he was influenced by Liberals.

However, I can almost guarantee that he's saying these things to get more attention and sell books.

Just like Michale Moore.

Bob Dole said it's common place these days for someone to leave an administration early and write a book.

Actually O'Neill didn't write the book. A reporter, Ron Suskind, did. O'Neill only consulted and claims he didn't take any money for it.

Not sure how O'Neill's profitting from this... because he's setting himself up to be crucified as a disgruntled appointee.

He has everything to loose and nothing to gain....

60 minutes doesn't pay for interviews either.

As one white house official said it's a "real head scratcher"

Yeager · « **Reply #40 on:** January 12, 2004, 09:16:47 AM »

The estimates I am familiar with say "known" reserves are good for 400 to 500 years based on current consumption.

Nakhui · « **Reply #41 on:** January 12, 2004, 09:35:35 AM »

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Originally posted by Yeager
The estimates I am familiar with say "known" reserves are good for 400 to 500 years based on current consumption.

400 to 500 years. Wow!

I think the oil companies would love to know your source of information. That's pie in the sky!

I would have to go with the US Department of Energy's estimate.... which is between 50 and 80 years.

http://www.energy.gov

Kieran · « **Reply #42 on:** January 12, 2004, 09:40:07 AM »

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Originally posted by Nakhui
Bob Dole said it's common place these days for someone to leave an administration early and write a book.

Actually O'Neill didn't write the book. A reporter, Ron Suskind, did. O'Neill only consulted and claims he didn't take any money for it.

Not sure how O'Neill's profitting from this... because he's setting himself up to be crucified as a disgruntled appointee.

He has everything to loose and nothing to gain....

60 minutes doesn't pay for interviews either.

As one white house official said it's a "real head scratcher"

George Stephanopolis... Stefanopoly... Steffigraff... heck, that short guy who worked for Clinton.

lazs2 · « **Reply #43 on:** January 12, 2004, 12:51:52 PM »

hahooey... I see... the old science was what? "junk science"? this new stuff is ded on, real deal, we all came from one female stuff huh?

nobody will be laughing at this exact science stuff 40 years from now I bet..

Just one thing.. which is it exactly? 80 years or 400-500 that we run outta barney juice?

oh... and eggs... good for me or bad for me? I only have the old 60's junk science stuff to go on.

lazs

Yeager · « **Reply #44 on:** January 12, 2004, 01:12:33 PM »

Well Ill be derned...
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The United States Geological Survey's (USGS) World Energy Resources Program (WERP) produces the federal government's estimates of world oil resources.

The volume of the world's petroleum reserves is important because of the fear that the oil will run out. This fear should be expected, because the estimated 1 trillion barrels of crude oil is only enough to supply the world for about 50 years.

This prediction is based on the present world consumption, however, world consumption is expected to increase. Although the known reserves are only about a trillion barrels (1 barrel equals 159 liters, 42 gallons, or 0.16 m3), the estimated world reserves, according are about 1.5 x 1011 m3.

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The 400 to 500 years figure was just something I recalled from a popular science magazine about twenty years ago. I never would have imagined the change in estimating would be that drastic.

So whats your point here?