The liberals are penitrating our defenses...

[Nakhui]

The liberals have even brainwashed a former Bush white house aide into expos... eh telling lies about Bush and the Iraqi war....

The Bush administration began planning to use U.S. troops to invade Iraq within days after the former Texas governor entered the White House three years ago, former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill told CBS News' 60 Minutes.

"From the very beginning, there was a conviction that Saddam Hussein was a bad person and that he needed to go," O'Neill told CBS, according to excerpts released Saturday by the network. "For me, the notion of pre-emption, that the U.S. has the unilateral right to do whatever we decide to do, is a really huge leap."

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/10/oneill.bush/index.html

How could this be?
What Bush lied?

It's the liberals they are making this all up!

Even though there are emails and a paper trail to suport this aides accusations.... they are still lies...

Even though US Military Intelligence Analysts are reporting to the Congressional Intelligence Select committee that they had no evidence and were pressured to speculate there were by White House officials.... they are still lies...

Even though the autocad drawings of the chemlabs Powel presented to the UN were fabricated by White House aides... and passed off as US Intelligence... they are still lies...

Lies by the liberals to bring down a great president.

We all know Bush was right....

Iraq has WMD... they are just well hidden.

And what about Karl Rove... breaking the law by exposing a CIA agent?.... oh wait that's not common knowledge yet...

THESE ARE ALL LIBERAL LIES!!!

Damn those LIBERALS!

They must HATE AMEERIKA!

[Nakhui]

Describing his first such meeting with Bush, O'Neill said, "I went in with a long list of things to talk about and, I thought, to engage [him] on. ... I was surprised it turned out me talking and the president just listening. It was mostly a monologue."


A few weeks ago Gephardt said very similar things about Bush in an artical in the the Washtingon Post.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A46323-2003Dec31.html

"He's not dumb," he said, "but he is not informed and he's not experienced and he hasn't surrounded himself with the right people to give him the information and the experience that he doesn't have. And he worries me."

Gephardt offered a disparaging portrait of the president, based on meetings at the White House since Sept. 11, 2001. "He doesn't carry on a discussion about what we're trying to do with a particular issue with any kind of minimal understanding," he said. Bush operates with a "cowboy kind of a belief" that there are issues that are black and white, Gephardt said. "There's just no deep understanding of the complexity of this thing."


Liberals... what do they know any way!

Just liars and Ameeerika haters!

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by Nakhui
"From the very beginning, there was a conviction that Saddam Hussein was a bad person and that he needed to go,"

Are you somehow of the opinion that the statement is wrong in any way?

[Nakhui]

Originally posted by Hortlund
Are you somehow of the opinion that the statement is wrong in any way?

Did I say that? I don't think so... read the articles...

This guy is coming out and saying the Iraqi war was planned before 9/11 and he has a paper trail to prove it...

So this guy is either a BIG FAT LIAR... Right.... or he has evidence to back up his statements....

And if he does, what does that say about Bush and his Administration?

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by Nakhui


And if he does, what does that say about Bush and his Administration?

Nothing. Every US administration has had plans to invade pretty much every nation on the globe. It is all part of the contingency planning the US military has.

Im pretty sure the old SIOPs still exist in some form too. How about that...BUSH HAS PLANS TO LAUNCH NUCLEAR MISSILES ON RUSSIA.

Relax, stop trolling, enjoy life... you are in good hands.

[Holden McGroin]

"If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." The stakes, he says, could not be higher. "Some day, some way, I guarantee you, he'll use the arsenal."

The president advocating Iraqi regime change on February 18, 1998.

[Nakhui]

Originally posted by Hortlund
Relax, stop trolling, enjoy life... you are in good hands.

This isn't a troll... just reporting what's in the news dude...

Agreed every country has plans for particular situations....

However.... that's not what this guy is saying...

He's saying not only were there plans but Bush sought for excuses to execute this plan prior to 9/11...

It's like have a gun in the house for self defense...

And then inviting your neighbor over for a BBQ and shooting him and saying to the police you were just defending your self because your caught your neighbor in your back yard eating the steaks you just BBQ'ed and you though he was going to stab you with a steak knife.

LOL

[Kieran]

Stop it, Holden. The shades account user's argument falls apart at the slightest scrutiny, you don't want to do that. Let "Nakhui" continue on...

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by Nakhui

It's like have a gun in the house for self defense...

And then inviting your neighbor over for a BBQ and shooting him and saying to the police you were just defending your self because your caught your neighbor in your back yard eating the steaks you just BBQ'ed and you though he was going to stab you with a steak knife.

LOL

I'd say back to the analogy-drawing board.

[Nakhui]

Originally posted by Kieran
Stop it, Holden. The shades account user's argument falls apart at the slightest scrutiny, you don't want to do that. Let "Nakhui" continue on...

What exactly is my arguement?

Am I a former Bush White House aide exposing what the White House was planning?

It's interesting how blind many of the people on this board are...

They choose to only see the facts and discuss the arguements which support their beliefs on this matter.

When the Washintong Post exposed Nixon... as a result of "Deep Throats' Revelations....

How many Republicans couldn't believe the truth about the Water Gate cover up?

When Oliver North was exposed... how many couldn't believe the truth that people high in the government would break the law by selling weapons to terrorists?

This is not an Area 51 UFO alien theory...

And the exposure of the CIA agent.. .was that  a fabucation?

Someone in the white house intentionally broke the law...

This is not the liberals fabricating conspiracy theories...

Novak admits he got his information from a high level government official in the White House - Novak is NOT a liberal.

O'Neil is either a liar... or he's telling the truth.

Regardless of what he says... if he has the paper trail to back up his statments... it sheds more light upon what's really going on in the White House...

And why US Military Intelligence which Bush proported he had has failed to lead directly to WMD in Iraq

And the recent find of 150 shells is just a serendiputous event.. which Bush supporters will desparately cling to and say "See we we're right!"

It's just a matter of time before a special prosecutor will be asked to investigate this matter.

It's hard to believe in lies... isn't it... the more the facts disprove people's beliefs the angrier they get...

It's just some Bush hating liberals stirring up a  conspiracy... isn't?

That's easier to believe... then where the facts of the matter are leading...

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Nakhui

He's saying not only were there plans but Bush sought for excuses to execute this plan prior to 9/11...

We knew this before O'Neill decided to talk. Bush said as much during his debates with Gore.

[majic]

Quick reality check.  9-11 had nothing to do with the Iraqis.  (Except for the fact it made people more willing to accept this kind of action)

Of course they would have looked at ways to get rid of Hussein from the get go.  Do you think Clinton didn't?  Hussein has been a threat for some time now.  (Until we found him in a hole.)

[Ripsnort]

Welcome back Weazel!  How long this time before Skuzzy figures this out?

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by majic
Quick reality check.  9-11 had nothing to do with the Iraqis.  (Except for the fact it made people more willing to accept this kind of action)
 

Well it did have something to do with it indirectly, that being State-sponsored terrorism by a rogue country and the future potential to breed such terrorism.  Do you recall what the going price for blowing ones self up is in Israel? I believe Saddam was paying $25,000 to family members of such.

[Saurdaukar]

A President had a plan.

And this is a bad thing.

Very, very bad.