Balancing numbers with perks.

[DYGCaps]

They don't factor in the two countries against one. It's common knowledge that the bish are always out numbered no matter what our roster shows. Bish 140 Knits 153 Rooks 203 whats not seen here is the rooks and knits consistantly hiting the bishes it truely 356 to 140 bish.

This argument is ridiculous, its not always rooks and nits vs bish...all sides team up in various combnations all the time, and any one country is not always on the reciving end.


Urchins also right...why am I going to fly a Spit14 when I know an La7 or D9 can completely outrun me??  Whats the point?  As far as I'm concerned the only perk planes worth flying are the Tempest and 262.  Hitech instead of just saying "Bah, another la7 whine" why don't you take some time and think about it.  Have you even looked at Kweassa's perk agenda ?? Thats a really good idea, and would balance the arena.  As the players of this game, and also people who pay our 14.95 every month to play, our opinions shouldn't be taken lightly.

[hitech]

Or i could just make fun of some one whos every post seems to be a whine.

HiTech

[hitech]

On 2nd thought i'll call bull to your first post. It does have a fair effect on balancing numbers. It is a fairly substantial force that moves people to the lower country. In fact i can prove my point just by looking at the number of low number country complants since the system was implemented.

Finaly for sake of argument lets say it dosn't have any effect. Exactly why would you even think of complaining about it since it dosn't have any effect?

[Urchin]

Why is it in the game at all?  I, for one, certainly haven't noticed the effect.  I fly for the team with the least numbers, but that is just general principle for me.  Usually its still the rooks, but sometimes its the bish or knights.

And personally speaking, I don't see any effect at all.  Typically numbers aren't to lopsided until reset is imminant (say 5 bases or so), but two teams sides will typically wear down the other side until the third side is down to 5 bases and people start logging off.  Then one of the two goes for the reset, while half the other team continues fighting the third team and the other half try to pull out the reset by attacking the top team.  By the time the numbers get low enough that a 262 is "affordable" (and to be honest, I don't know that it ever truly is, with 99% of the "newbies" in planes with ENY's of 10), the maps all but reset.  

So I guess my suggestion would be to tie in base numbers as well, and give them an effect.  So that way if a side has 10 bases and only 20 fewer people than their alloted "33%" of the population, they'll still see somewhat of a price break until the field numbers even up again.  Of course, this is all but a moot point, since nobody flies the perk planes anyway.  Which I suppose is just the way you want it, or you'd have set the system up differently.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by hitech
On 2nd thought i'll call bull to your first post. It does have a fair effect on balancing numbers. It is a fairly substantial force that moves people to the lower country. In fact i can prove my point just by looking at the number of low number country complants since the system was implemented.

Finaly for sake of argument lets say it dosn't have any effect. Exactly why would you even think of complaining about it since it dosn't have any effect?

I dunno about your proof hitech. The bishops have been consistently outnumbered a lot lately. Maybe we're just not so prone to whining about it?

[Citabria]

lol urchin your loosing the argument

perk the la7!!!

[Citabria]

i used to switch to lowest country quite a bit to get perk points,

i would ussually fly the p47d11 109g6 or some 40 perk modifier plane

40 perks is the right modifier number for a good perk builder.

many more underdogs should be at or above this.

p40e in particular i love that plane though its only 35 eny i think it would be my primary underdog ride if it was 40-45 eny for perkies

[simshell]

that does seem odd that the P40E has a eny of 35 i mean there are other planes that are far more better when you look at the stats of climb rate and speed and its not a great turnfighter maybe the P40B but its realy to slow

we have the 109G2 G6 F4 the FW190A-5 .205 LA5 P51B and im sure there are other's that are the same ENY or higher    

im not saying that the P40E is a bad plane but other aircraft have far better climb rate speed and turning abilty and yet they are often times have a higher ENY

i was thinking that the perk points were put in to reward people for flying harder aircraft yet the P40E is harder to get kills in then say a LA5 109G-6 P51BFW190A-5

[simshell]

ok back on topic

i think the best PERK way to handle this is to

MAKE PLANES THAT ARE USED MORE TO HAVE THERE ENY to get lower and lower till say the spitfire had a ENY of 3

AND FOR AIRCRAFT THAT ARE ALMOST NEVER USED have there ENY get HIGHER AND HIGHER so you could see P38's at 40 ENY if they were not used often

[Urchin]

No simshell, thats unbalancing.  Quit whining.  There ya go HT, now ya dont have to say anything.

[Sway]

We should perk whiners...  

[simshell]

Originally posted by Urchin
No simshell, thats unbalancing.  Quit whining.  There ya go HT, now ya dont have to say anything.

 you just said that people could not fly mid war aircraft because they would meet nothing but late war monsters which is true and i give a way of making people fly less used planes for more perks and if people fly aircraft that have been used a ton then they would get almost nothing for there kills so if they wanted perks they would have to fly something besides a spit9 with only a ENY of say 3 with this new way of handling the ENY

[N8DOG]

I think a floating system that changes the ENY is a good idea, the game could take into account the % of a certain plane type and change the ENY accordingly. IF too many Spit9's are being used, make them have a lower ENY. My opinion is that while its very cool to have a good selection of planes like AH does, its setup where it isnt smart to use the full spectrum. For example, why would I fly a Spit mk1 around when I could fly around a Spit mk9 or a NIKI. Another way to solve this problem would be probably the easiest is to perk all but 1 fighter, gv, and bomber. When a person signs up to AH he is given 50 perk points to start out with, if he burns all his perks cause he craters his 51D then he is stuck with flying a "Xplane" until he can afford something else. Obviously a spit1 would cost less than a LA7 but if you had to pay for each plane you flew it might make the choices alot different. I think alot more people would fly the "bargain" planes as they dont want to lose 15-20 points for a LA7. This also would help the game in other ways. If a guy is up in a NIKI that he paid 9 perks for I seriuosly doubt he is going to be HOing very much, and that 7 perk Jug that is about to suicide the cv might think a little different too. I seriuosly think that this would be a great idea and cannot think of any bad points to this.

[Urchin]

Oh my god, quit with the plane whines guys.  If you dont like flying a nik,spit, la7, or p51 just shut the **** up already.

[Shane]

no N8, sorry.. perking all planes except a handful just makes for more timid people in an already timid arena.

i think the system is fine as it is, except that maybe the f4u-4, spit14 and ta152 might be over-priced.  haven't checked ta's cost lately... if it's around 15-20 that'd be abt right imho.