What is the allure of the IL-2?

[iculus]

I tend to be more of a Western front person.  What are the pro's and cons's of this purty looking plane?  

Thanks,
IC

[Cleaner]

It is Russia's version of the A-10, heavily amored and armed to the teeth. The best tank killer in WW-2....

[mx22]

flying tank...

mx22

[Wisk-=VF-101=-]

Well, I'd say the A-10 is more of a US modern-day version of the Il-2, considering that A-10 wasn't yet around in the late 30s.

The AH Il-2 is missing some of its more potent armament though - anti-armor BRS-82 and BRS-132 rockets, the 37mm cannon version of armament, the cassette anti-tank bombs.

An Il-2 based sim from Maddox Games published by UbiSoft in the US should be available in November. It looks like it'll contain the full variety of Il-2's armament options. So those interested might take a look at that sim.

[Tuomio]

It climbs like lancaster and is slower than lancaster. Only trouble is, that its easy to overshoot becouse its low speed. Overshooting can be quite lethal, since one ping of its 2x20mm will remove big part from your plane.

I prefer aproach from high 8 or 4 and make fast slight turning pass to its wingtip. Use cannons only and dont save ur bullets, since few pings dont do anything no matter where you shoot. Somebody said in MA, that he had to use all of hes 120 20mm shvaks to drop it, so try to concentrate on one spot (wings).
The 6 gunner isnt threat, if you dont ib from straight 6.
HO only with 4xcannons and evade well before he can shoot back.

IMO.

[iculus]

Cool!

Thanks!
IC

[Wisk-=VF-101=-]

 

Originally posted by Tuomio:
It climbs like lancaster and is slower than lancaster. Overshooting can be quite lethal, since one ping of its 2x20mm will remove big part from your plane.

I prefer aproach from high 8 or 4 and make fast slight turning pass to its wingtip. Use cannons only and dont save ur bullets, since few pings dont do anything no matter where you shoot. Somebody said in MA, that he had to use all of hes 120 20mm shvaks to drop it, so try to concentrate on one spot (wings).
The 6 gunner isnt threat, if you dont ib from straight 6.
HO only with 4xcannons and evade well before he can shoot back.

IMO.

Well, I heard from a good source that when not loaded with air-to-ground weapons (bombs, rockets) the Il-2 can fight 109Es in maneuverable fights. So it's only slow when loaded. I havent' tried the AH Il-2 so I don't know how they modeled it.
Also, the staple version has 23mm VYa cannon that are more powerful than ShVAKs, not only because of a slightly high caliber but higher muzzle velocity and weight of its rounds.

I'm a surpsied that the gunner isn't a threat - shouldn't it be at least as much of a threat as gunners on TBF or B-26s as currently modeled in AH ??


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[Otter]

 

Originally posted by Wisk-=VF-101=-:
<snipped>I'm a surpsied that the gunner isn't a threat - shouldn't it be at least as much of a threat as gunners on TBF or B-26s as currently modeled in AH ??
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I got 2 kills and one assist as a gunner over several flights, but the 200 round loadout makes the position almost worthless.

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Otter

[Cleaner]

I will let you guys know how the IL-2 game turns out. I was one of the lucky 200 out 3000+ to make the BETA which should be at my door step sometime next week...  


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[Kirin]

 

I prefer aproach from high 8 or 4 and make fast slight turning pass to its wingtip. Use cannons only and dont save ur bullets, since few pings dont do anything no matter where you shoot. Somebody said in MA, that he had to use all of hes 120 20mm shvaks to drop it, so try to concentrate on one spot (wings).
The 6 gunner isnt threat, if you dont ib from straight 6.

Hehe, for me IL2s are one of the easiest "buffs" to shoot down - much easier than a B26 for example. IL2s pop like balloons even in front of my 109F4 (1x20mm) - got 3 IL2s in a row with that setup - came from low six, no worrie about reargunner that way! Fired away long bursts from point blank range - if they break, fine for me (F4   ).

[Tuomio]

Well, I heard from a good source that when not loaded with air-to-ground weapons (bombs, rockets) the Il-2 can fight 109Es in maneuverable fights. So it's only slow when loaded. I havent' tried the AH Il-2 so I don't know how they modeled it.

Yes, the Il-2 manouvers very well in low speeds, so thats why you should keep your speed up when approaching. If you pull up after pass, dont reverse too early, since Il-2 can keep its nose up quite a long time. I killed one n1k yesterday when he reversed too soon.
It sucks lots of fuel, so its usually flied in heavy fuel loadouts.


I'm a surpsied that the gunner isn't a threat - shouldn't it be at least as much of a threat as gunners on TBF or B-26s as currently modeled in AH ??

I havent found TBM gunner a threat in any ways. Just keep your speed up and it can put only few pings to your plane. I like shooting to wingtip and i usually remove it in one pass.
b-26 gunner is a whole other issue. THAT is a very bad threat and i usually prefer to leave them alone if im not in buff hunter.

[ra]

The Il-2 is a scenario plane.  The only reason to fly it in the MA is if you want a change of pace.  There are a lot of better ground attack planes available in the MA.

ra

[eskimo]

I survived a 37mm ost hit.
The second one tor me up though.

eskimo

[Bodhi]

RA, you should tell that to the knights last night.  We used IL-2's to literally shred their fields.  This aircraft is a welcome addition and a potent adversary, especially with a cap.  Be careful you do not dismiss this to soon.

[ra]

Bodhi, you would have done even better with Hogs or Jugs or Tiffies or 190F8's or P38's.  I don't dismiss the Il-2, but in the MA it is very much outclassed by many other planes.

If a field is well capped by friendlies, you can tear it up with TBM's or Ju-88's just as well as Il-2's.


ra