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« Reply #45 on: January 19, 2004, 05:42:57 PM »
Saurdaukar: Does the fact that you categorize the groups as 'other races' make you racist?

 Not really. Whether I am right or wrong that the race concept exists, I would only be a rasist if I unjustifiably believed that a group I condider "other race" is inferior to mine.


was hoping perhaps one of the leftist priests of darwinism might be able to provide a physical sample of one type of micro-organism evolving into another completely different micro-organism.

 Just like astrophysics cannot provide you a sample of our Sun fizzling out, so is the evolution theory cannot came up with an evolution of a "completely different" species overnight.
 Both work with processes that unfold over long periods of time.

There are samples of a complete biological engines available. perfect examples of intelligent creation

 Did you know that the human eye has its nerve wiring on the front of the retina - nesessitating a blind spot - while the squid and many other species have their eyes wired up correctly.


ravells: Storch, what makes you so utterly certain there is a God?

 Evolution theory, memetics and other sciences offer very good explanations as to how people evolved a propensity for blind faith. Such propensity is very real and serve(d) to increase surval in (majority of) the population.

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« Reply #46 on: January 19, 2004, 05:46:18 PM »
and make the rest roll their eyes.

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« Reply #47 on: January 19, 2004, 06:02:53 PM »
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Say what you want Storch.

Not a single "sign" since Jesus... And god expect us to belive in him?

Its different times, its at the best 50/50 by the youth growing up today that belives in god.

Whys this? the teaching of evolution in Schools? lack of signs from God? corruption of the society? Mankind being able to re invent themselfs (DNA etc).

Does God really have the right to label all this people as "non-belivers", after all the kids today get tought evolution in School!!!

The fact remains... When judgement day comes if theres an God and he judges people by Bible then alot of GOOD folks wont make the cut for resurrection...

You Storch, wont see your family in the afterlife because you said that they were non belivers...

I find this to be a sick God indeed... A sadist...



good saying maniac, but you know the world still looks at us as vikings/idiots :)

but so true it is ............ (whatever that is) ?

people always been afraid of dying, so they need a comfort for living. religion is in the bottom line a need for "rescueing errors people do in life" But ofcourse if people wanna belive That is ok, I have no problem with that because if people followed the 10 commands there would not be that many problems in the world.

I would say it was invented by practial reasons , but it gave us hell with religion wars and purusing individuals/people for beliving diffrent.
hehe well who lives will not see but the dead ones will.

how many god`s have the human beeings had since the day of the beginning and who was the right one ?

what abou the cro magnon people and the neanderthals (lots of people otherwise too)they had never heard about god and could not choose, did they go to hell ?

(but I guess god created the world after that right ?)
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« Reply #48 on: January 19, 2004, 09:22:39 PM »
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Not really. Whether I am right or wrong that the race concept exists, I would only be a rasist if I unjustifiably believed that a group I condider "other race" is inferior to mine.


 miko


I believe the dictionary definition does not add the qualification "unjustifiably".

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=racist

2 entries found for racist.
rac·ism    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (rszm)
n.
The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
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« Reply #49 on: January 20, 2004, 08:34:24 AM »
jeez... all i did was ask about the ark...

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« Reply #50 on: January 20, 2004, 11:22:47 AM »
Whether you like it or not, it takes just as much "faith" to believe in evolution as it does to believe in "intelligent design."  Evolutionary theory is rife with holes, which are filled (inadequately at best) with pure supposion.  The lack of transitional fossil types is just one example, as is the chronological mixing of those fossils in the sediments they're dug out of.  While evolution is touted as a "theory" (which implies a complete or nearly complete explanation, backed up with experimental confirmation), it has never truly earned a stronger epithet than hypothesis.  Whether the "intelligent designer" was a supernatural being, or simply a tremendously more advanced being than ourselves, the hypothosis that we were created (engineered, if you will) should be taught in the schools with the same furvor that the hypothosis of evolution is.  Just my opinion, of course.
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« Reply #51 on: January 20, 2004, 12:57:55 PM »
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Whether you like it or not, it takes just as much "faith" to believe in evolution as it does to believe in "intelligent design."  Evolutionary theory is rife with holes, which are filled (inadequately at best) with pure supposion.  The lack of transitional fossil types is just one example, as is the chronological mixing of those fossils in the sediments they're dug out of.  While evolution is touted as a "theory" (which implies a complete or nearly complete explanation, backed up with experimental confirmation), it has never truly earned a stronger epithet than hypothesis.  Whether the "intelligent designer" was a supernatural being, or simply a tremendously more advanced being than ourselves, the hypothosis that we were created (engineered, if you will) should be taught in the schools with the same furvor that the hypothosis of evolution is.  Just my opinion, of course.


so cro magonon and neanderthals was a fake, and they went to hell because they was born before God created the world, and did not follow his words  ? :D
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« Reply #52 on: January 20, 2004, 01:09:58 PM »
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1. casting of lots for Jesus' garments foretold in Psalm 22:14


Psalm 22:14 - "The open their mouths against me like ravening and roaring lions."

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2. none of his bones were broken foretold in exodus 12:46, Numbers 9:12, Psalm 34:20


Both Exodus and Numbers state "the breaking of its bones"... if it was "it", "it" wasn't Jesus... because Jesus is the human form of God and would therefore not be an "it".

Psalm 34:20 - "Many are the troubles of the just man, but out of them all the Lord delivers him"


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3. his side pierced foretold in Zechariah 12:10


"I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and petition; and they shall look on him whom they have thrust through, and they shall mourn for him as one mourns for an only son, and they shall grieve over him as one grieves over a first-born."

House of David? Jesus came from Mary, technically the house of Jospeh. Or a House of Stable.

I would like you to tell me why you believe the following you are stating is correct:
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The more material is recovered from the fossil record the more the THEORY is disproven. Psuedo science at best.


Lets also remember something: The Bible has been translated some thousand times from a dead language. Lots of it has been re-edited time and again (hence the versions and editions). Given the lack of knowledge of a dead language, it'd be pretty easy to translate it however is needed.
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« Reply #53 on: January 20, 2004, 02:46:40 PM »
Not faked, Airguard, but rather simply missenterpreted (perhaps by blind belief that evolutionary theory must be true in total).
The supposed hominids' (creatures in-between ape and human that evolution supporters believe used to exist) bones and skull records used by scientists often consists of `finds' which are thoroughly unrevealing and inconsistent. They are neither clear nor conclusive even though those who support evolutionary theory present them as if they were. Nine of the twelve popularly supposed hominids (put forth as supposed “transitional” species) are actually extinct apes/ monkeys and not part human at all. The final three supposed hominids originally put forth as evidence of transitional evidence are actually modern human beings and not part monkey/ape at all. Therefore, all twelve of the supposed hominids can be explained as being either fully monkey/ ape or fully modern human but not as something in between.  Of these last three, we have the following:

- HOMO ERECTUS: #10 was regarded as sub-human because its brain size was once thought to be out of the range of humans being too small. It is now known that its size is nearly the average size of a modern European's. One Homo Erectus find, called Peking Man, was based on but one tooth. "Davidson Black...became convinced that it (the one tooth) was a human tooth...He then confidently announced a new genus of man."

- NEANDERTHAL MAN: #11 was found by medical experts to be a full modern human being whose brain was deformed simply by arthritis deformans.

- CRO MAGNON MAN: #12 is indistinguishable from a modern human being. It was placed on the chart only because of cave drawings that were found and thought to be primitive.

Interestingly, when new evidence is found that debunks some cherished "fact" of evolutionary theory, you never hear about it in the popular press, and it receives little more than a footnote in the supposedly objective scientific jounals.  You never hear of the original discoverer publishing a retraction, as it were.  And they don't bother to revise the text books, either.

Answer me this simple question: Why do you (whoever you are) believe in the theory of evolution?  Have you seen it first hand?  Have you witnessed the first instance of a new species, and seen its completely new feature (i.e. wings on a cow, or a snake with eyes on its tail) passed on to its progeny?  Have you even examined first hand the fossil remains, as well as all the information on how and where they were found?  Finally, have you actually looked at what the alternate explanations for such discoveries might be, or have you simply taken the intellectually lazy approached and taken someone else’s word for it?  Face it.  You have accepted without question the teachings of ancient and not so ancient texts, written by the high priests and priestesses of a religion, that of evolutionism.  As I said, your belief is based on faith as much as Storch’s.

Some parts of the greater grouping of scientific hypothesis known collectively as “evolution” are undeniable, such as natural selection improving the survival process of a species.  This goes on today, and its examples are everywhere.  However, the origins of life, and the natural evolution of simple organisms to complex through the process of beneficial mutation are not.  They are instead guesses based on suppositions based on pure conjecture.
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« Reply #54 on: January 20, 2004, 03:15:19 PM »
AKIron: I believe the dictionary definition does not add the qualification "unjustifiably"....

The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
Discrimination or prejudice based on race.


 Prejudice is an unjustifiable discrimination. If you believe that italians are weak and do not hire them to do work that germans can do, you are prejudiced.

 If you believe that pigmys are short and do not hire them to do work in places designed for average european, you are not prejudiced - just taking accounf of the facts.

 
storch: Ah yes memetics, sure another icon of the leftist's religion. I could argue from the same book Miko.

 You could - but you do not. You just throw around stupid labels and refuse to elaborate your assertions once they are questioned.
 What does believing in evolution or memetics has to do with adherence to the state ownership of means of production and being against private property and limited government? How come I could not be an anarcho-capitalist or minarchist libertarian and a darwinian at the same time?
 You are a just dumb windbag.

 You believe there is Jebus out there talking to you, other people believe all kinds of even stranger stuff. So what?

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« Reply #55 on: January 20, 2004, 04:48:42 PM »
Sabre, are you saying that all known species have been created and they lived side by side for billion years, those who didnt make it are now in the sediment?

If they werent created, then how did they form?

Why does mines reveal lots of fossils, is that or isnt it an evidence of chronology, which you said that were not present?

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« Reply #56 on: January 20, 2004, 05:05:26 PM »
I got a good answer to this question one time :

Why is there so many old fossils ?

Cause god created earth old to fool the unbeliever and test our faith.


What can you answer to this ?

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« Reply #57 on: January 20, 2004, 06:02:58 PM »
i can only ask this...

you presume to understand god's motives?

is your name  metatron? no, not the vossatron or metavoss, but the actual metatron?

oh yeah, i'm still waiting for some to explain the fish and the flood.

read up on it before you answer out of hand. read vewwy, vewwy carefully.

while on the subject, didn't racism first come about on the ark? (this was the original point raised that brought the bible into this thread.)
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« Reply #58 on: January 21, 2004, 01:35:11 PM »
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Sabre, are you saying that all known species have been created and they lived side by side for billion years, those who didnt make it are now in the sediment?


No, I'm not say that.  I would not presume to know the order in which different species came into existence. You misunderstand my meaning here.  The existence of fossils does not indicate chronological progression, in and of itself. The point I was trying to make is that absolutely no transitional forms, either in the fossil record or in modern animal and plant life, have been found. All appear fully formed and complete.  Trillobites are a good example.  These are very simple creatures, yet hugely complex compared to single-cell organisms, which all other life (plant and animal) supposedly came from).  Yet there are no fossils showing earlier evolutionary steps leading up to trillobites. The fossil record amply supplies us with representation of almost all species of animals and plants but none of the supposed links of plant to animal, fish to amphibian, amphibian to reptile, or reptile to birds and mammals are represented nor any transitional forms at all.

Regarding chronology, proponents of evolution have used fossils in rock sediments to say that simpler organisms were at the bottom of the sediment and more complex ones were at the top, showing a chronological evolutionary progression from simple to complex. They have ignored the great inconsistencies in the finds for which a flood could account but not the evolutionary process. In fact, in some strata, a tree can be seen protruding through several layer which supposedly formed over millions of years. The rock strata consists of a plethora of contradictions and reversals. Often the strata that is supposed to be old is found on top and vice versa. Often they are horizontal with one another.  That's what I meant when I referred to the mixed up fossil records.
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« Reply #59 on: January 21, 2004, 01:46:44 PM »
Yawn... didn't we do this once?

BTW Sabre... you need to read "other" books too. The Bible ain't a science text.