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Offline GRUNHERZ

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« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2004, 02:22:30 AM »
The AH P40E is essentially invulnerable to A6M2, it might as well be a G10 or Tempset.

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« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2004, 10:48:13 AM »
Hey REVGST,

You know I'm a big fan.  I have a lot of fun in a P40 and other than an occasional C47 run, its all I've flown for going on 8 tours.

I've read all the flight model stuff, and seen the performance charts and I hear the P40 is slow, can't trun that well etc etc.  But I've not experienced it.

Seems that the flight model in AH allows the will of the pilot to affect your performance.  I've caught 51s, and outturned zekes simply beacuse I believed that I could.  I guess.

I think I can I think I can!

But then again, usually I don't.

Could be the beer.

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« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2004, 11:10:40 AM »
Hi Widewing,

Was the CW-21 really that good? I knew that the Dutch (I am Dutch btw) had some, but the little info I had on them dismissed them as basically useless, a vulnerable trainer with armament. Do you know of more (on-line) info?

I think that the Zeroes we have in AH are quite useless, too slow, too vulnerable, can't B&Z. Is still maintain that dogfighting is stupid if you want to live. That having said, a P-40B is so underpowered that once it has depleted it shallow E reserves, it's dead against the A6M

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« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2004, 07:13:02 PM »
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Hi Widewing,

Was the CW-21 really that good? I knew that the Dutch (I am Dutch btw) had some, but the little info I had on them dismissed them as basically useless, a vulnerable trainer with armament. Do you know of more (on-line) info?

I think that the Zeroes we have in AH are quite useless, too slow, too vulnerable, can't B&Z. Is still maintain that dogfighting is stupid if you want to live. That having said, a P-40B is so underpowered that once it has depleted it shallow E reserves, it's dead against the A6M


Erik wrote about the CW-21 on usenet too. He posted, "I have flown a CW-21, an aircraft built by Curtiss Wright in 1938 that's empty weight was 3050 lbs which was 10 mph faster than the Zero, could out climb the Zero by more than 2500 fpm, and 100 mph faster in a dive faster and had a higher role rate as well.  Why didn't the military buy it.  Just dumb I guess."

There's little of value on the web. However, much can be found in various books. For example, the CW-21B used by the Dutch was considerably cleanedup aerodynamically. It was able to reach a max speed of 333 mph at 18,000 feet. Additional weight added in during the redesign cut into its climb rate, but a fully loaded CW-21B could still climb in excess of 4,500 ft/min.

One of the factors that hurt the Demon was its light structure and lack of self-sealing fuel tanks. It durability was no greater than that of the Japanese fighters opposing it. Nonetheless, it could handily out-perform the Ki-43 in every category of measurable performance. Indeed, it had a slightly better wing loading than the lightest Ki-43 (23.7 lbs/sqft vs 24.2 lbs/sqft) and a significantly better power loading. Think of the Demon as an over- powered Extra 300 with retractable landing gear and guns.....

Simply stated, it was almost exactly the opposite of what the USAAF was looking for in a fighter.


My regards,

Widewing
My regards,

Widewing

YGBSM. Retired Member of Aces High Trainer Corps, Past President of the DFC, retired from flying as Tredlite.

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« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2004, 12:44:54 PM »
Wow, my topic got a lot more attentionthan I thought it would, wtg guys on a P-40 subject. I have been flying one more than usual and found that I like it the more I fly it,  I guess you either have to be drunk, dumb, or have a good sense of humor, right Honch,lol.

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« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2004, 02:42:04 PM »
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I guess you either have to be drunk, dumb, or have a good sense of humor, right Honch,lol.


I'm not sure which one of these traits is the most important, drunk, dumb, or sense of humor so I just try to cover them all.

Have you seen this trailer REVGST?

http://www.skycaptain.com/home.html

Honch the skycaptainwannabe

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« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2004, 03:18:02 PM »
Thanks for that trailer Honch, a movie that does a P-40 more justace than Pearl Harbor,lol. Hey, do you think we can get a training day sometime so I can learn how you fly Honch?

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« Reply #22 on: January 22, 2004, 09:22:13 PM »
I just began flying the P-40B the other night and discovered something I thought was rather interesting, which I hadnt noticed before because of flying the E model.  The P-40B can out turn a Spit 5.  I had repeated 1 on 1 fights with a spit 5 and repeatedly beat him.  I noticed the B is great at reversals, one of the best Ive seen.  Now I'm beginning to wonder:

Why doesnt EVERYONE fly this thing???

The only downsides to the B model are the slow speed and the weak guns.

Maybe it just seems good because of flying in H2H.  I dont know about that, but I do know that I'm gonna be flying the B for a long time now. :)

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« Reply #23 on: January 23, 2004, 12:07:19 PM »
I have flown the B model on occasions, and did notice that it does handle well, but after fewer moves than the E with WEP, I believe it stalls faster.  But the times I have lined up on guys with it, I will unload, and by the time the guy reacts to whats going on I have made hime shed a few things,lol..but he still isn't dead.  By the time I get on him again, all I see is that annoying  Assist on "X".
Ticks me off, never got so many assists in one plane.

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« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2004, 07:19:17 PM »
Well, I can't deny that I'm a P-40 fan. But I'll be MUCH more happy to fly the P-40 if it had the Brazilian colors like these one from IL2 ;)






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« Reply #25 on: January 23, 2004, 10:39:12 PM »
Very Cool.  How do you post snapshots from the game that you take?

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« Reply #26 on: January 23, 2004, 11:53:44 PM »
kurupi, Im always up for a skinning challenge.  I'll work on a skin similar to that one.  I've been looking for an Idea.  If possible, please post a close up picture of the Brazilian insignia on the side of the plane or mail me the pics.

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« Reply #27 on: January 24, 2004, 05:37:01 AM »
You can take the snapshots using the print screen key. The shots will be save in the IL2 folder in *.tga format. Then just edit with avaiable editor (I did with Fireworks here) :aok

Offline REVGST

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« Reply #28 on: January 24, 2004, 09:51:02 AM »
I know how to take snapshots in AH, but when I go to put in an image, that weird command promt comes up, what do I type in there?

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« Reply #29 on: January 24, 2004, 11:55:39 AM »
On the Brazilian P-40 Ive got the body and underwing done so far, but without weathering textures.  A few more days and I should be finsihed.