Author Topic: Spitfire IX overmodeled?? (Read 39616 times)

Crumpp · « **Reply #390 on:** February 07, 2004, 08:07:26 AM »

Milo-Moran,

You lost that one about 20 post's back. Don't even try and regain your self-respect in this thread. Just slink to your dark, dank corner and hang out with the other Fungi.
Crumpp

Crumpp · « **Reply #391 on:** February 07, 2004, 08:23:07 AM »

Utter nonsense?? How do you explain the existence of Luftflotte 1 and Luftflotte 4 both before and after the BoB? Guess they just made them up, disbanded them, and then reformed them again.

Oh I forgot the borders of Reich just extended from Southern France to Norway. There was no need to station other Forces to rest, refit, train, and hold down the frontiers on the other 75 percent of the Reichs borders.

Come on, Gripen. Even with your Pom-Pom wielding cheering section of idiots, I actually credited you with some sense at the beginning of this discussion. Your consistent inability to reason points to my error.

Crumpp

MiloMorai · « **Reply #392 on:** February 07, 2004, 08:35:08 AM »

What ever you say dirt eater.

BTW, you have the 'moron' attached to the wrong name.

keep shovelling the manure.

Crumpp · « **Reply #393 on:** February 07, 2004, 08:39:39 AM »

No I bashed Pongo in an earlier post....

Crumpp

gripen · « **Reply #394 on:** February 07, 2004, 08:51:41 AM »

Crumpp,
I have not denied the existence of those Luftflottes. The question is about supposed Bf 109 reserves which you announced to be proven. Please, prove your words. Why according to Lund the LW had just 80% strenght on fighter units if the reserves existed?

gripen

Crumpp · « **Reply #395 on:** February 07, 2004, 09:17:21 AM »

No Gripen,

The 80 to 86 percent was without drawing upon any other resources outside the normal supply channels of Luftflotte 2, 3, and 5. This includes not increasing the RLM's set production rate. Germany was still having its worker's work peacetime hours at the factory.

Crumpp

gripen · « **Reply #396 on:** February 07, 2004, 01:12:45 PM »

Crumpp,
A source please and I'm still waiting for numbers on reserves. What's the problem? If reserves are proven, then just post the data and source.

I wonder where those two luftflottes with 2000 planes disapeared in couple hours? Must be the fastest destruction rate of the LW so far.

gripen

Crumpp · « **Reply #397 on:** February 07, 2004, 01:14:25 PM »

I have posted the link AND a quote from it. Look back up the FIRST time you mentioned the Reserves.

Crumpp

gripen · « **Reply #398 on:** February 07, 2004, 01:37:36 PM »

Crumpp,
80% is for fighters, 86% for bombers and we are talking about Bf 109 (fighter). So nothing new.

Where are the reserves? Can you give us a answer, please.

gripen

Crumpp · « **Reply #399 on:** February 08, 2004, 06:03:53 AM »

No 80-86 percent is the range the LW was able to keep it's fighter units up. Did you use hooked on phonics? You seem to have trouble reading and comprehending.

Ok, Gripen want a cracker. I've shown were the LW had plenty of planes to draw upon if needed. End of Story. It's a fact so just face it. Your conclusion that the LW had no chance of winning the BoB is complete and utter fiction. Revisionist History and nothing more.

Crumpp

gripen · « **Reply #400 on:** February 08, 2004, 07:55:50 AM »

Crumpp,
We have been talking about fighter situation in the end of the 2nd phase and Lund states:

"Reserves were sufficient to keep most fighter units at 80 percent strength and bombers at 86 percent."

So far you have proven nothing. Please show us the LW reserves or shut up.

I can only conclude that you are not able to prove your words.

gripen

Crumpp · « **Reply #401 on:** February 08, 2004, 08:15:46 AM »

That is a direct quote from Lund. Maybe you would prefer the term "replacements" or perhaps we will call them "other planes not used yet". Maybe he could have used the term "New planes no one has flown yet". How about "planes just unwrapped, new still in box, you may use to shoot down the RAF".

I see this whole concept of the Anybody but the RAF having the intelligence, capability, or resources to replace their losses in battle is beyond you. WWII sure lasted a long time. Bet those Germans that crossed the Polish Frontier in Sept '39 were pretty darn tired by the end of it.

Crumpp

Slash27 · « **Reply #402 on:** February 08, 2004, 08:53:14 AM »

Yeah, but what about the Spit IX?

Angus · « **Reply #403 on:** February 08, 2004, 09:57:11 AM »

The Spit IX is undermodelled

MiloMorai · « **Reply #404 on:** February 08, 2004, 11:23:04 AM »

gripen, did you know that the USAAF's 15thAF was the reserve for the USAAF's 8thAF.

For that is what the dirt eater is saying with regard to the LW. ie Luft X was the reserve for Luft Y (sub in a number for X and Y)