Author Topic: nightmare for a rook... (Read 6489 times)

Zazen13 · « **Reply #45 on:** January 22, 2004, 06:47:06 PM »

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Originally posted by BigGun
Or time to just fly around, spend forever grabbing alt instead of fighting.

Umm, that is rediculous. Average RoC is 2,500ft/Minute+ that's 8 minutes to get to 20k if you start out at a sea level base. I think what you are seeing is the average player is a lazy, undisciplined, easily bored member of the quake generation. Those seeking immediate gratification who are either unable or unwilling to put the time, effort, and patience in to fly in a systematic and intelligent manner. Outside of the computer genre, I call these people the "Fast food generation", those people who expect to have society provide total and immediate satiation of their desires on a whim.

Too many quake type adrenalin freaks are complacent to just up a spit5, niki, etc. and start turning with the first red con that presents itself then wonder with doe eyed innocence why someone with more patience, discipline and forethought than themselves comes along with advantage and aggressively replanes them, over and over and over...Get a clue, fly smart yourself, or learn to derive enjoyment from dying repeatedy at the hands of those who do

Zazen

palef · « **Reply #46 on:** January 22, 2004, 07:06:21 PM »

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Originally posted by Zazen13

If flying a plane low, slow, and perpetually engaging with the disadvantage in defiance of good prudence and logic .....

Zazen

Uhhhh - I LIKE doing that

But then I like it when my boss yells at me, and the wife hits me. I get upset when my sheep laugh at me though.

palef

SlapShot · « **Reply #47 on:** January 22, 2004, 08:00:32 PM »

Too many quake type adrenalin freaks are complacent to just up a spit5, niki, etc. and start turning with the first red con that presents itself then wonder with doe eyed innocence why someone with more patience, discipline and forethought than themselves comes along with advantage and aggressively replanes them, over and over and over...Get a clue, fly smart yourself, or learn to derive enjoyment from dying repeatedy at the hands of those who do

It takes alot patience to fly a Spit V and be successful with it. It goes nowhere fast and leaves nowhere fast. Bring whatever you want against my Spit V and I will show you patience, and I can guarantee that you won't be replaning me over and over again.

Steve · « **Reply #48 on:** January 22, 2004, 08:43:26 PM »

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Bring whatever you want against my Spit V and I will show you patience, and I can guarantee that you won't be replaning me over and over again

Pretty bold ol' buddy. I like that in one who can back it up. I like it comin from you.

tzr · « **Reply #49 on:** January 22, 2004, 09:09:30 PM »

My money is on Slap:D

TweetyBird · « **Reply #50 on:** January 22, 2004, 09:10:12 PM »

>>Too many quake type adrenalin freaks are complacent to just up a spit5, niki, etc. and start turning with the first red con that presents itself then wonder with doe eyed innocence why someone with more patience, discipline and forethought than themselves comes along with advantage and aggressively replanes them, over and over and over.<<

And isn't that a beaten dead horse? Furballers vs. fur wearers

j/k. Whatever floats your boat, but I don't see how either style is a guage of the player's inteligence. It would be pretty dumb to climb to 25k in a dora if a player wants to furball, or get the most possible fighting in before they need to log. It doesn't have to mean he has a short attention span - he might just have a dirty 6 - year -old that won't get in the tub, a dog whose bladder is hardwired to his alt meter, or just a grouchy spouse

thrila · « **Reply #51 on:** January 22, 2004, 09:46:14 PM »

Zazen have you ever thought that maybe getting kills when you are at a disadvantage feels "better" than when you hold all the cards. For me, getting a kill is often less important than having a good fight. When i am above everyone else my kills some how feel "cheaper" i don't really feel like i have achieved anything.

for instance- in a furball today i was in a mossie @3k when a la7 dived on me. after several passes i finally got him to commit to a rolling scissors, he overshot and i nailed him. It was great fun! Even if i had died, it still would have been great fun- the fight was exciting. That's my point- flying high, holding all the cards- it just isn't all that fun for me most of the time.

Urchin · « **Reply #52 on:** January 22, 2004, 10:06:41 PM »

Not holding all the cards in a fight is uncomfortable for some people thrila. Apparently most people. And if I was REALLY gonna die if I lost the fight, I'd be one of them... but for me it is just a game.

SlapShot · « **Reply #53 on:** January 22, 2004, 10:28:23 PM »

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Originally posted by Urchin
Not holding all the cards in a fight is uncomfortable for some people thrila. Apparently most people. And if I was REALLY gonna die if I lost the fight, I'd be one of them... but for me it is just a game.

BINGO !!!

Shane · « **Reply #54 on:** January 22, 2004, 11:57:07 PM »

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Originally posted by SlapShot
BINGO !!!

no mercy! dam spray weenies!!

nopoop · « **Reply #55 on:** January 23, 2004, 12:27:38 AM »

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Originally posted by Zazen13
If flying a plane low, slow, and perpetually engaging with the disadvantage in defiance of good prudence and logic is a measure of ones worth in AH, it must also be a measure of ones stupidity

First it is not a measure of ones worth. It is a preference. A preference that has a fairly common denominator.

Stupidity has nothing to do with it.

The common denomitator in the majority of cases is time "in game".

5 years or better from the major contributors to the threads. In some cases 10.

That's alot of flyin and dyin.

In that time, we've done it all. Done the prudent thing, in some cases alot..

It's a work at it, then work some more, and learn. A right of passage. Get to the point that you have a handle on the prudent way of flying. That takes awhile, rough world out there.

I'm mediorcre but after workin it for a couple of years...at it...I did a tour that wasn't a slouch, I had a parade..

Really..

So I found I could, if I "tried" to do it.

After time it became a chore, not a passion..

No push, no mountain to climb.

Low and slow is a choice.

Low and slow is..

lets play..

"Good" low and slow is the goal.

Low and slow let's you bite off as you much as you care to.

Push.

Rinse and repeat is not in the vocabulary..

Unless your REAL good.

I'm working towards that day but not holding my breath.

It's strange that to some, furballing is rinse and repeat. It's NEVER the same.

Always having the altitude, always having the advantage, knowing how far to go in, and knowing when to leave are good things to strive for.

I did that already. I wasn't a God by any stretch of the imagination but I wasn't half bad.

Having done that, what passion do I serve by just doing it over and over.

Puuuleeze.

My goal on every sortie is to hang it out there far enough to be dead to rights for someone.. and kill him.

I don't do it often, not for the lack of opportunities, but when I do ??

When I was in WB along time ago, I was a newbie and I saw this trainer on the deck with five badguys above him, all alone.

As I flew above watching.. he killed them all....one at a time..

That's the dog.

When I've done that ?? And do it regularly ??

I'll be done.

In the meantime, I'll be workin it.

TweetyBird · « **Reply #56 on:** January 23, 2004, 01:20:47 AM »

>>When I was in WB along time ago, I was a newbie and I saw this trainer on the deck with five badguys above him, all alone.

As I flew above watching.. he killed them all....one at a time..

That's the dog.

When I've done that ?? And do it regularly ??

I'll be done.

In the meantime, I'll be workin it. <<

There's no better way to put it. There's contenders and pretenders. There's thousands of ways to be a pretender. People know the contenders by name.

(in his best Rocky voice ) I want to be a contender.
Buit that is a LONG LONG way off

Silat · « **Reply #57 on:** January 23, 2004, 02:30:29 AM »

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Originally posted by palef
Uhhhh - I LIKE doing that But then I like it when my boss yells at me, and the wife hits me. I get upset when my sheep laugh at me though.

palef

Those are not sheep I keep telling you. They are goats.

Roscoroo · « **Reply #58 on:** January 23, 2004, 02:56:50 AM »

whats wrong with flying a spit 5 on the deck wiggling your tail and daring the planes w/alt adv to come get ya ?? its called sheep herding in a spit .. tee hee

beet1e · « **Reply #59 on:** January 23, 2004, 03:44:44 AM »

Yes, not holding all the cards is a worthwhile thing. Going mobhanded in a gaggle, with the strongest, fastest, best climbing, best accelerating, best turning best firepowered wonderplane to a vulchfest is not a challenge. I'm not into those numerical supremacy smashdowns. I prefer to use the midwar planes when conditions permit. But in an arenaful of... well, you know the planes I'm thinking of

- you need speed and horsepower sometimes.

I'm trying with the Corsair 1D again this tour - have always liked it, for some reason. But in no way can it turnfight with planes like the Spit V and N1K and other turn-on-a-sixpence London taxi type planes. So when I see all this bleating from the pilots of the slow, manoeuvrable planes that "some guys won't come down and fight on my terms", it makes me laugh.

Nopoop!

You are allowed to put more than one sentence in a paragraph, you know!