Author Topic: What is a libertarion (Read 1389 times)

Dago · « **Reply #30 on:** January 26, 2004, 07:12:03 PM »

Actually, the Libertarians aren't all bad, and it's easy to agree with them in many areas.

I just hate to pass up any chance to slam one of our nations enemys, in this case Miko. He has made his hatred and disrespect for the United States so blatantly obvious, it is a forgone conclusion he should be regarded as an enemy of the state. Probably should be investigated by the FBI now that I think of it.

dago

miko2d · « **Reply #31 on:** January 26, 2004, 09:14:48 PM »

Dago: ...one of our nations enemys, in this case Miko. He has made his hatred and disrespect for the United States so blatantly obvious, it is a forgone conclusion he should be regarded as an enemy of the state. Probably should be investigated by the FBI now that I think of it.

Wow! I managed to piss off soviet commies, muslim fundamentalists and american fascists in one lifetime!

Why don't you call FBI, Dago! I am sure they are eager to spend their time investigating anyone who disagrees with you. Not like they need to look for real terrorists.

miko

vorticon · « **Reply #32 on:** January 26, 2004, 09:30:18 PM »

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Originally posted by miko2d

Wow! I managed to piss off soviet commies, muslim fundamentalists and american fascists in one lifetime!

Why don't you call FBI, Dago! I am sure they are eager to spend their time investigating anyone who disagrees with you.

miko

actually at one point or another im sure youve pissed off or been in complete and utter disagreement with everyone who uses this board...

Chairboy · « **Reply #33 on:** January 26, 2004, 09:38:30 PM »

Before this spirals out of control into a 'I hate miko' thread, does anyone else have any thoughts/questions about being Libertarian? I bet that party represents more of your views on issues then y'all think.

Dago · « **Reply #34 on:** January 26, 2004, 10:00:54 PM »

miko

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I am sure they are eager to spend their time investigating anyone who disagrees with you.

The issue doesnt have anything to do with me or who disagrees with me. If you were the intellectual you have deluded a few into thinking you are, you would realize that. But, since you actually aren't that bright, let me point out the obvious:

1) A lot of people disagree with me

2) I dont care if they disagree, I respect their right to their own opinion, and I am aware that I make mistakes sometimes in my opinions or conceptions

3) I never said anyone should be investigated for disagreeing with me including you

4) My issue with you is the pure and simple fact that you hate this country and constantly are tryng to paint our nation, past and present, in the worst possible light you can

I regret you lacking the most basic powers of observation and comprehension such that these facts weren't as obvious to you as I suspect they were to the rest of the people who read this board.

But, I am not surprised. Dealing with reality isn't really your strong suit. Hate and attempting to bewilder with delusion is.

BTW, I think you take too much credit, I doubt any communists, muslim fundamentalists or anyone else of any consequence have a clue who you are nor do I suspect anyone particularly cares.

dago

vorticon · « **Reply #35 on:** January 26, 2004, 10:14:41 PM »

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Originally posted by Chairboy
Before this spirals out of control into a 'I hate miko' thread, does anyone else have any thoughts/questions about being Libertarian? I bet that party represents more of your views on issues then y'all think.

not me...on all the "tests" ive scored just on the authoritarian side of a couple points off the farthest left you can be...

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in view of libertarians the Constitution is still a flawed document

that may be...but at least it "knows" that its flawed because there is no way to make a "ideal" society work...not unless you only allow people who agree with your ideal in and keep everyone else out...

Chairboy · « **Reply #36 on:** January 26, 2004, 11:07:54 PM »

I don't think it's accurate to say that Libertarians think the constitution is a flawed document at all. In fact, I think that we believe the Constitution is perfect and that our nation has strayed from it.

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #37 on:** January 27, 2004, 12:05:13 AM »

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I don't think it's accurate to say that Libertarians think the constitution is a flawed document at all. In fact, I think that we believe the Constitution is perfect and that our nation has strayed from it.

Frogm4n · « **Reply #38 on:** January 27, 2004, 12:17:33 AM »

Left-Liberal
Left-Liberals prefer self-government in personal matters and central decision-making on economics. They want government to serve the disadvantaged in the name of fairness. Leftists tolerate social diversity, but work for economic equality.

woot go me. Government control that economy but stay out of my pants. thats for funkyboy

Gunslinger · « **Reply #39 on:** January 27, 2004, 12:36:55 AM »

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Originally posted by Frogm4n
Left-Liberal
Left-Liberals prefer self-government in personal matters and central decision-making on economics. They want government to serve the disadvantaged in the name of fairness. Leftists tolerate social diversity, but work for economic equality.

woot go me. Government control that economy but stay out of my pants. thats for funkyboy

bro you didnt make one bit of sense....put the bottle down. we are not talking about librals here we are talking about libertarions

Chairboy · « **Reply #40 on:** January 27, 2004, 12:56:54 AM »

Gunslinger, he was talking about his score results from the test on self-gov.org.

lazs2 · « **Reply #41 on:** January 27, 2004, 08:47:10 AM »

If your goal is personal freedom then you will vote libertarian but....

ONLY if the race is a landslide for the republican candidate... if there is any chance that the democrat/socialist will win then you need to forget ideals and vote republican.

It does no good to vote libertarian and allow som gun grabbing democrat tax and spend democrat get into power. No matter what a democrat says.....

he will vote with his socialist buds whenever things get tough.

lazs

miko2d · « **Reply #42 on:** January 27, 2004, 09:51:28 AM »

vorticon: actually at one point or another im sure youve pissed off or been in complete and utter disagreement with everyone who uses this board...

Somehow almost every single person believes that there are some good causes - in their subjective opinion - that justify coercion, theft and slavery. Their goals may vary widly but their means are the same.

So a fella like me that opposes coersion altogether is bound to disagree with everyone, even if I approve most of their goals.

Chairboy: I don't think it's accurate to say that Libertarians think the constitution is a flawed document at all. In fact, I think that we believe the Constitution is perfect and that our nation has strayed from it.

Many libertarians - with small 'l' - believe - or rather know - that the Constituton is a flawed documant because it violates the basic principles of libertarianism. It just does. We may believe that it is as good as we may hope to get and consider it good enough, but calling it "perfect" is just not correct.

First, the Constitution allows the government to violate many rights it should not.
Second, by overturning the Articles of Confederation it laid foundation for eventual inevitable raise of the power of the central government.

Of course any libertarian would be happy to return to the original constitutional order as a practical matter - provided it could stay that way.
Paring down the last 1% of the government may be a facinating academic issue but hardly of the same practical improtance as paring down the first and worst 99%.
If I were guaranteed 5% taxation and no state interference with economy - which is still more intrusion than caused the Colonies to rebel - I would stop spending time on libertarianism in favor of more practical pursuits.

lazs2: there is any chance that the democrat/socialist will win then you need to forget ideals and vote republican.

If you condone this kind of stratigic voting, the best that could be done is to have the Congress and the President to belong to the different parties.

Frogm4n: Left-Liberals prefer self-government in personal matters and central decision-making on economics.

That is just totally impossible. Even if the economy could be operated by central planning - which is impossible as well - how would you be free to pursue any private personal causes if you do not have any resources at your disposal?
You would have to persuade a government bureaucrat to release resources for any campaign you would want to conduct.
What kind of personal matters would you be able to make choice in when the government is running the economy?
Not what to buy and where to live and which cause to invest in.

miko

lazs2 · « **Reply #43 on:** January 27, 2004, 11:02:11 AM »

miko... I condone this kind of thinking as a matter of practicality. I do not want to waste my vote in a protest vote... I will leave that to the greenie losers.

No libertarian that I know of has ever had a chance at any major office. If I believed he had a chance I would vote for him... if not... I certainly do not want to aid some socialist democrat.

It is a matter of lesser evils. liberals and democrats are the great evil. Stoping them is the most important thing. If they are assured of not being a viable candidate then I have the luxury of making my protest vote to libertarian.

frogm... if the government is taking a gun out of my pants then they are getting into my pants too. There is nothing tolerant about taking away my right to defend myself or making me hire people I don't want to or making me rent to people who will destroy my property or making me pay for people to sit on their lawns with the boom boxes going all day long in houses that I could not afford to rent.

lazs

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #44 on:** January 27, 2004, 11:45:15 AM »

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No libertarian that I know of has ever had a chance at any major office. If I believed he had a chance I would vote for him..

That's a self-fulfilling prophecy Lazs. With that kind of thinking we will never get anywhere.