Author Topic: What is a libertarion (Read 1392 times)

Gunslinger · « **on:** January 26, 2004, 02:06:13 PM »

Seriously....what is a libertarion? I'm kinda curious cause I'm fed up with the republicans and hate the librals. If possible keep the replys to a serious and constructive.

Dowding · « **Reply #1 on:** January 26, 2004, 02:08:48 PM »

Anarchists, individualists and tired, old, disillusioned hippies with no real answer on how society should function.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #2 on:** January 26, 2004, 02:18:08 PM »

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Originally posted by Dowding
with no real answer on how society should function.

wouldnt this describe all political parties?

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 26, 2004, 02:20:35 PM »

Libertardians = T3h W1N

Rude · « **Reply #4 on:** January 26, 2004, 02:26:10 PM »

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Originally posted by Dowding
Anarchists, individualists and tired, old, disillusioned hippies with no real answer on how society should function.

Wow....nice work Dowding:)

lazs2 · « **Reply #5 on:** January 26, 2004, 02:27:26 PM »

I lean more toward libertarian than anything. I am most definitely not an old hippy. Hippies love government when it is "their" government... libertarians want less government.

Libertarians are basicaly constitutionalists... They want the government to have no more power than it was originaly designed to have by OUR constitution. I have no idea what dowding is talking about because he is talking about libertarians from a british point of view apparently.

las

Dowding · « **Reply #6 on:** January 26, 2004, 02:34:41 PM »

Really? I just made that up.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #7 on:** January 26, 2004, 02:42:08 PM »

wow i think i'm a libertarion as well. There isnt one issue that i've read so far that I dont agree with 100%

health care
gun laws
drug prohibition
environment

I'm still not through the list as of yet.

lazs2 · « **Reply #8 on:** January 26, 2004, 02:46:09 PM »

gee dowding... no one doubted that in any case... we pretty much figure that everything you post is made up.

lazs

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #9 on:** January 26, 2004, 02:48:39 PM »

Libertarian --> No government control over their lives whatsoever.
Republican --> Only as much government control as needed.
Moderate --> In the middle.
Democrat --> Want a large amount of goverment control.
Communist (another term, forgot) --> Want complete governmental control.

That's an easy way to look at it. How the other topics surfaced and stemmed is a completely different subject.

Tarmac · « **Reply #10 on:** January 26, 2004, 02:56:51 PM »

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Originally posted by Gunslinger
wow i think i'm a libertarion as well. There isnt one issue that i've read so far that I dont agree with 100%

health care
gun laws
drug prohibition
environment

I'm still not through the list as of yet.

A lot of people that think they're republican would be better classified as libertarians, they just don't know it (or vote it).

Sigh... isn't the two-party system wonderful?

Tarmac · « **Reply #11 on:** January 26, 2004, 02:58:51 PM »

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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Republican --> Only as much government control as needed.

That's an easy way to look at it.

And if you believe that you just bought the Republican spiel hook line and sinker. I'd laugh if it wasn't so sad that so many voters are similarly deluded.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #12 on:** January 26, 2004, 03:00:54 PM »

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Every year, they take 12.4% of your income to prop up their failed Social Security system - a system that is heading toward bankruptcy.

If you are an American earning the median income of $31,695 per year, and were given the option of investing that same amount of money in a stock mutual fund, you would retire a millionaire - without winning the lottery or a TV game show.

That million dollars would provide you with a retirement income of over $100,000 per year - about five times what you could expect from Social Security.

Even a very conservative investment strategy would yield three times the benefits promised by Social Security.

http://www.lp.org

this right here just sold me......I'm a libertarion

Chairboy · « **Reply #13 on:** January 26, 2004, 03:16:10 PM »

Here's an interesting quiz, 10 questions, that can help you figure where your political beliefs land. The 'left' vs. 'right' scale is far too simplistic. Technically Stalin and Ghandi would be left extremists while Reagan and Hitler would be right extremists, and that's definately not a fair comparison for either.

This quiz gives you a 2D location on a chart that splits the questions into personal liberty and economic policy.

http://www.self-gov.org/quiz.html

My answers put me in the Libertarian side, my sisters answers put her in the Authoritarian side, a friend came up as left liberal, and another came up as right conservative, so it definately offers different real world answers.

miko2d · « **Reply #14 on:** January 26, 2004, 03:18:32 PM »

Libertarianism is a doctrine concerning the primacy of negative property rights.

That means that a person's body and property are protected from invasion/violation.

If you need to summarise libertarianism with one word, that word would be "nonagression". The only legitimate use of aggression against someone body or property is the direct agression by that person against other's body/property.

While libertarians would like the Constitution to replace what we have now, in view of libertarians the Constitution is still a flawed document illegitimately limiting people's freedoms.

Gunslinger, do you need good links to the libertarian resources? The libertarian party is not the best one. Plenty of libertarians make quite a distinction of being small 'l' libertarians rather than the party members.

In fact nominating a libertarian candidate goes against the libertarian philiosophy. The goal of libertarianism is not go get control of the state power but to limit that power to withing it's legitimate boundaries.

miko