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Offline Westy

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« Reply #30 on: January 28, 2004, 01:28:37 PM »
Funked I tend to agree that it was okay for draft dodgers and people who were against that war to have walked away.  I even support those who went to Canada to avoid having to serve.

 But Bush was not drafted. He also cost taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars in training.  And he flaunts and hypes that dubious, non-combat career at every opportunity he has while at the same time he cuts verterans benefits at home and fails to help properly equip the US forces in Iraq.

 At this time do you want me to cut&paste articles on this or should I just provide the links to the issue?



 So while you seem to feel that his choice to not perform his duty for over a year (in the safe, cushy, part-time, stateside assignment he had) wasn't illegal and improper I certainly do since tries to use his military "record" as a chest thumping positive.  And from my readings on Bush's background many other people feel the same too.

 My post was slightly subtle sarcasm aimed at Eagler and his hateful sounding opinion of Kerrys' actions as an anti-war vet and activist. At least Kerry served and earned thos medals. things I cannot say of the current brave Commander in Chief.
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« Reply #31 on: January 28, 2004, 01:37:02 PM »
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So Kerry answers his country's call and does his duty, even tho he does not believe in it. When he returns home he does everything he can to make sure noone else has to die in a War they did not believe in.


that's fine but ur either a military hero or your a military hater - how can you be both?

I think his mindset  is too weak for the country & its present terrorist threat - u can bet on our enemies prayin to allah this admin is replaced with any of the spineless left choices...

And it would be a John/John ticket is the want to stand any kind of chance
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« Reply #32 on: January 28, 2004, 01:47:41 PM »
"how can you be both? "

 Easy!  A military hero is someone who distinguished themselves in combat (something GWB never did btw).   And since this is the US of A and not Nazi Germany or North Korea he's MORE than earned the right (which all US citizens have under the 1st Amendment. Till GWB yanks that too...) to express his emotions towards the government or the military complex which had sent over 58,0000 Americans to thier death in such a bull**** war.
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« Reply #33 on: January 28, 2004, 01:52:25 PM »
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that's fine but ur either a military hero or your a military hater - how can you be both?

I think his mindset  is too weak for the country & its present terrorist threat - u can bet on our enemies prayin to allah this admin is replaced with any of the spineless left choices...

And it would be a John/John ticket is the want to stand any kind of chance


I consider myself conservative on most issues, but I find this stance to be pretty simplistic.  Viet Nam was arguably a civil war in which we chose to get involved. Whether or not it was for a good reason doesn't really matter, because we half-assed it from the leadership level and wouldn't do what had to be done to win. We set ourselves up for a great big fall to the tune of 58K soldiers dead. That's just stupid by any reasonable person's reckoning.

John Kerry, though I abhor his social politics, earns my respect for having served with distinction. To question his fiber is a slap in the face to any such person who's been there. Disagree with his politics, but don't question his courage- unless you have proof I don't know of.
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« Reply #34 on: January 28, 2004, 01:58:20 PM »
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How is the info false or unproven?  I've found nothing to debunk the accusation that GWB walked away from his Guard duty for a year during the Vietnam war. On the contrary I find plenty that convince me that he deserted.

I'm all ears if you have sources (links?) with true facts that he did not.  


I have nothing to debunk the alleged existance of bigfoot.  I have seen photographic evidence, footprint casts, etc. Therefore it must exist.

I'm all ears if you have sources (links?) with true facts that it does not.
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« Reply #35 on: January 28, 2004, 02:02:45 PM »
That sux Groin.  But I wish you luck.
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« Reply #36 on: January 28, 2004, 02:05:54 PM »
So you don't see the parallel of believing an unproven accustation due to the lack of evidence to the contrary?
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« Reply #37 on: January 28, 2004, 02:07:53 PM »
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« Reply #38 on: January 28, 2004, 02:12:32 PM »
No, what we have is no evidence that he did.  We have no evidence that he did not, except for the lack of records.

Of course, the government has never stopped paying a serviceman because a record snafu thought he was dead, only to find out that he had been alive all along....  that never happens.  The record keeping of the military and all other government branches is immaculate.

Want me to post some bigfoot links?
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« Reply #39 on: January 28, 2004, 02:16:43 PM »
RPM said it already, but it bears repeating.....

1. He serves with distinction.. Silver Star, Bronze Star, 3x Purple Heart.
2. He comes home and excersizes his right as an American to protest the War.
3. Some idiot considers this a contradiction.
4. Sheeesh!
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« Reply #40 on: January 28, 2004, 02:19:25 PM »
Kerry had more right to protest the Vietnam war than most.  

If he can't, who can?
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« Reply #41 on: January 28, 2004, 02:23:18 PM »
MT that would be nice if the protests hadn't caused politicians to tie the military's hands, causing a lot of our boys to get killed or maimed.
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« Reply #42 on: January 28, 2004, 02:23:52 PM »
I can bet you $10 on this one- there won't be a single Republican in the re-elect Bush campaign that would be stupid enough to try to impugn Kerry on his war record.
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« Reply #43 on: January 28, 2004, 02:25:22 PM »
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MT that would be nice if the protests hadn't caused politicians to tie the military's hands, causing a lot of our boys to get killed or maimed.


Not to disagree with you too much, but do you suppose the thought of all-out war with the USSR or China had anything to do with it too?
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« Reply #44 on: January 28, 2004, 02:25:58 PM »
Funked how did the protests tie the Poli's hands?
Honest ? here.
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