Europe wants to move out of the house...

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by Hortlund
"Our crimes does not count, because what they did was much worse."

It doesnt really work that way.

Who said that hortlund? Not me....

Let me put it this way.. An outside pro human rights pro democracy western style democratric power  is looking at WW2 and wanting to see who the bad guys are to intervene in favor of the good guys.

Do they join the axis or allies?

OR:

By 1995 if instead of bombing the serbs the USA/NATO attacked bosnians and croats would America and allies  have accomplised their objectives just the same?

[straffo]

Originally posted by Hortlund
"Our crimes does not count, because what they did was much worse."

It doesnt really work that way.

ouch

again we agree Steve

[GRUNHERZ]

Agrre on what, a completely unrealted tangent of hortlunds...

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
An outside pro human rights pro democracy western style democratric power  is looking at WW2 and wanting to see who the bad guys are to intervene in favor of the good guys.

Do they join the axis or allies?

It kinda depends on when they are looking...

I dunno, do they pick the guys who gas their civilians or do they pick the guys who drop atomic bombs on them? Do they pick the guys who shoot their civilians or the ones who drops incediary bombs on them to watch them burn to death? Do they side with the guys who use slave labour or the guys who rape all women aged 8 to 80 who come in their path?


Why did they want to intervene now again?

[straffo]

I agree on the raw sentence not mandatory on the context it was used.

is that clear ?

cleared a bit the sentence

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by Hortlund
It kinda depends on when they are looking...
I dunno, do they pick the guys who gas their civilians or do they pick the guys who drop atomic bombs on them? Do they pick the guys who shoot their civilians or the ones who drops incediary bombs on them to watch them burn to death? Do they side with the guys who use slave labour or the guys who rape all women aged 8 to 80 who come in their path?
Why did they want to intervene now again?

So the Nazis have as much of a claim for being the good guys as do the allies, nice...



Oui staffo, merci...  UGHHHHRRRHH shivers

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
So the Nazis have as much of a claim for being the good guys as do the allies, nice...
 

Never said that did I?

"Our crimes does not count, because what they did was much worse."

Why would the human rights nation you were talking about want to intervene on any side? If they were pro human rights and pro democracy...they sure would not want to side with the germans...but would they want to side with the communists?

If they were humanitarian, they sure would not want to side with the germans, but would they want to side with firebombers or the a-bomb users?


I edited your post to remove the emoticons...they just made your post look retarded...no need to thank me.

[Dowding]

They intervened to spare Sweden from being Nazi Germany's willing rent boy. It was getting embarassing. Your country should have grown a pair and been overun like France. At least they put up a fight instead of being submissi... sorry... 'neutral'.

Ciao.

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by Dowding
They intervened to spare Sweden from being Nazi Germany's willing rent boy. It was getting embarassing. Your country should have grown a pair and been overun like France. At least they put up a fight instead of being submissi... sorry... 'neutral'.

Ciao.

Actually, if you read up a bit on your history, you would realize that Sweden was, in effect, allied with Germany from 1941 on. That has alot to do with the fact that we *really* dont like the Russians.

And there you have it.

[straffo]

Originally posted by Dowding
They intervened to spare Sweden from being Nazi Germany's willing rent boy. It was getting embarassing. Your country should have grown a pair and been overun like France. At least they put up a fight instead of being submissi... sorry... 'neutral'.

Ciao.

Actually I think you did a bad lecture of Hortlund's post.

IMO he was more speaking of (using another analogy)  what side an Alien would have sided with.

Depending of your own background you choose one or the other side.
For me it's obvious but I'm biased being European.

But for a strictly neutral (read ET) point of view and giving you know everything (including shoah etc ...) which side will have you backed ?

The side which industrialised the mass murdering using concentration camp ?
or
The side which industrialised the mass murdering using mass bombing/A-Bomb ?

The question remain open for me (again when trying to be the most neutral I can)

For each human killed during a war it's a tragedie for him and it's familly whatever was his behaviour during the war.

[Dowding]

Easy. The side that wasn't fighting for a genocidal maniac, who after victory planned to exterminate an entire race from the planet and murder anyone who stood in his way; the US/UK everytime. They were also racing to save as much territory from Stalin's hands in addition to knocking out Hitler.

[GRUNHERZ]

Its amazing how hortlund is making excuses for and otherwise marginalizing nazi atrocites only moments after saying this:

"Our crimes does not count, because what they did was much worse."

It doesnt really work that way.


Wow....

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by Dowding
Easy. The side that wasn't fighting for a genocidal maniac, who after victory planned to exterminate an entire race from the planet and murder anyone who stood in his way; the US/UK everytime. They were also racing to save as much territory from Stalin's hands in addition to knocking out Hitler.

Yep, good post dowding.

[straffo]

Gunther who gave the niki to Japaneses ?

[GRUNHERZ]

LOl I did not consider the alien angle, was not thinking so far outside.