Author Topic: Year-End MA After Action Report (2003) (Read 15885 times)

Shane · « **Reply #210 on:** February 05, 2004, 12:26:48 AM »

he tnb's around them.

Zazen13 · « **Reply #211 on:** February 05, 2004, 12:28:56 AM »

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Originally posted by Shane
he tnb's around them.

Lol, my favorite way to die when I was trying to hold fire until that close was to shoot the enemies tail off only to have him pitch up vertically right into my flight path. At less than 150 yards, even with little or no closure during the shot there's zero chance to avoid that.

Zazen

meddog · « **Reply #212 on:** February 05, 2004, 08:58:43 AM »

Zazen13. These stats though interesting are quite laughable because it runs on the premis that every one out there is trying to get the best score possible when in fact there are people out there(too many to count) who could care less about scores or ranking and auger on purpose at a drop of a hat to bring a goon or any thing else that is need to defend or capture a base. This obviousely lowers a country's scores so you really can't tell which country is the better country based on tainted statistics. Look at my score, I have over a 5:1 k/d ratio in attack planes and a 7:1 in GV no fighter or bobmer points as of yet but i'm ranked above 1000. does this accurately portray my abilities or skills? No it doesn't. The Knights have successfully beaten down the Rooks and the Bishops with inferior numbers many times But every one knows there is safety in numbers and when the Rooks have 300+ members online compared to 200 for the Bishops and the Knights , it's doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that k/d ratios and scores would improve because every fight would be at the least a 2 on 1 or a 3 on 1 and how many people can succesfully fend off a 3 on 1 fight? Numbers may not win the reset but they sure do win the war on stats

Zazen13 · « **Reply #213 on:** February 05, 2004, 11:04:45 AM »

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Originally posted by meddog
Zazen13. These stats though interesting are quite laughable because it runs on the premis that every one out there is trying to get the best score possible when in fact there are people out there(too many to count) who could care less about scores or ranking and auger on purpose at a drop of a hat to bring a goon or any thing else that is need to defend or capture a base. This obviousely lowers a country's scores so you really can't tell which country is the better country based on tainted statistics. Look at my score, I have over a 5:1 k/d ratio in attack planes and a 7:1 in GV no fighter or bobmer points as of yet but i'm ranked above 1000. does this accurately portray my abilities or skills? No it doesn't. The Knights have successfully beaten down the Rooks and the Bishops with inferior numbers many times But every one knows there is safety in numbers and when the Rooks have 300+ members online compared to 200 for the Bishops and the Knights , it's doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that k/d ratios and scores would improve because every fight would be at the least a 2 on 1 or a 3 on 1 and how many people can succesfully fend off a 3 on 1 fight? Numbers may not win the reset but they sure do win the war on stats

Interesting argument except the statistics do not bear you out. Two things are wrong with your argument.

Firstly, all countries have a relatively equal distribution of people who care about score and not, due to the influx of new players, squadron and individual migration.

Secondly, the statistics for each country are very stable over a long period of time, actually from beta to the present. Rooks maintained their anomolously high rates even when enormously outnumbered for almost two years, conversely Bishops maintained their anomolously poor rates even with a VAST numerical advantage for an equally extended period. Knights have consistantly been somewhere in the middle regardless of relative numbers, leaning toward the Bishop end of the spectrum. The fact that these statistics ARE so consistant irrelevant of numerical disparities is what prompted me to start this thread in the first place.

Zazen

Zazen13 · « **Reply #214 on:** February 09, 2004, 01:27:13 AM »

In the interest of proving my point in the above posted reply I give you the Tour 49 Week #1 Kill Totals. Bear in mind many people informed me that my post encouraged Bishops to "Hang a Number" on Rooks this tour to prove they are not, in fact, relatively ineffectual.We'll see.....

Total Kills Rooks Vs. All:
56,243
Total Deaths Rooks Vs. All:
48,578
Total Rook K/D:
1.16 to 1

Total Kills Bishops Vs. All:
45,550
Total Deaths Bishops Vs. All:
54,354
Total Bishop K/D:
0.84 to 1

Total Kills Knights Vs. All:
51,960
Total Deaths Knights Vs. All:
50,829
Total Knight K/D:
1.02 to 1

Sooo, far from hanging anything on anyone, Bishops are actually doing worse this camp than the consistantly poor 0.87 to 1 they usually muster. Knights improved very fractionally at the expense of the Bishops and Rooks are their usual impressive selves.

From now on I am going to refer to this statistical phenomena as the "Theory of National Identity In Simulated Combat". The fact that these numbers yet again stayed so stable, almost falling exactly on the 2003 year-end averages is remarkable. Even more remarkable because there were significant squadron and individual migrations this tour, specifically to the Bishops, apparently making no difference in the end result. Enjoy!

Zazen

DipStick · « **Reply #215 on:** February 09, 2004, 02:27:35 AM »

It's like saying high rank "means" anything. It don't. It could mean the rooks have higher numbers, more rank/score potatos, spawncampers, etc... It doesn't matter much either way.

_Schadenfreude_ · « **Reply #216 on:** February 09, 2004, 03:25:24 AM »

I fly Rooks simply casue when I joined 7 months ago a lot of people from the sim I came from (FA3.00) seemed to be in Rooks what I have noticed is that when I see a gaggle lifting off it always seems that there are more Rooks fliying high fast movers rather than the Niki's and Spits.

Maybe the B&Z crowd just gravitate to Rooks as they find others doing what they do and B&Z is more effective in terms of K/D rather than T&B?

lazs2 · « **Reply #217 on:** February 09, 2004, 08:00:21 AM »

What would be interesting would be a kills per hour stat by country and a kills by plane type stat by country..

lazs

Kegger26 · « **Reply #218 on:** February 09, 2004, 08:43:22 AM »

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
I've found out that if it wasn't for the crappy guns on the Ju-87, that sucker would be a great vulch plane. If we had the Ju-87D-5 with the wing mounted 20mm cannons, the Stuka would be the ultimate vulture.

ack-ack

Alittle off topic After spending 30 mins dogfighting you in the DA in a JU87 I am convinced it is a pretty good dog fighter. I even killed two P40s and a Spit 5 in the CT on one sortie, all straight forward dog fighting.

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #219 on:** February 09, 2004, 09:08:13 AM »

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Originally posted by Zazen13
From now on I am going to refer to this statistical phenomena as the "Theory of National Identity In Simulated Combat".

If you're going to posit a theory, you need a hypothesis or hypotheses. A theory doesn't just describe a statistical phenomenon; it attempts to explain it.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Zazen13 · « **Reply #220 on:** February 09, 2004, 10:00:17 AM »

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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
If you're going to posit a theory, you need a hypothesis or hypotheses. A theory doesn't just describe a statistical phenomenon; it attempts to explain it.

-- Todd/Leviathn

I have stated my hypothesis several times in this thread, allow me to repeat.

---The relative effectiveness of the three countries, expressed statistically, are unique and will remain constant within a very small margin of deviation over time regardless of individual or squadron migration and numerical flunctuations.

Zazen

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #221 on:** February 09, 2004, 10:03:55 AM »

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Originally posted by Zazen13
The relative effectiveness of the three countries, expressed statistically, are unique and will remain constant within a very small margin of deviation over time regardless of individual or squadron migration and numerical flunctuations.

Now you need to explain why this is. You've described the phenomenon that requires explanation, but you have not hypothesized why it occurs.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Zazen13 · « **Reply #222 on:** February 09, 2004, 10:25:31 AM »

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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Now you need to explain why this is. You've described the phenomenon that requires explanation, but you have not hypothesized why it occurs.

-- Todd/Leviathn

I have already stated why, again allow me to repeat...

---There is a large core of players for each country that identify exclusively with that country, these people tend not to migrate, it is this core that serves as the statistical basis for each country. This core far outweighs the relative impact of numerical disparity fluctuations and the natural migration of players.

Just for reference sake, I stated all of this in my first post of the thread after the actual statistics.

Zazen

Zazen13 · « **Reply #223 on:** February 09, 2004, 11:18:26 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
What would be interesting would be a kills per hour stat by country and a kills by plane type stat by country..

lazs

I would LOVE to see a more specific country by country breakdown. We will have it eventually, it is on the score interface on this site, it's apparently just not finished yet.

Zazen

Zazen13 · « **Reply #224 on:** February 09, 2004, 11:20:18 AM »

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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
I fly Rooks simply casue when I joined 7 months ago a lot of people from the sim I came from (FA3.00) seemed to be in Rooks what I have noticed is that when I see a gaggle lifting off it always seems that there are more Rooks fliying high fast movers rather than the Niki's and Spits.

Maybe the B&Z crowd just gravitate to Rooks as they find others doing what they do and B&Z is more effective in terms of K/D rather than T&B?

No argument about BnZ being more EFFECTIVE than TnB. Just ask the Japanese, especially the ones at the Marianas "Turkey SHoot", if any lived

Zazen