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Offline bikekil

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Europe is weak
« Reply #60 on: February 03, 2004, 11:14:28 AM »

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« Reply #61 on: February 03, 2004, 01:42:45 PM »
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No, it's actually a pretty slick system. The old guys were pretty smart.

Every State gets TWO Senators. Period. Fixed rule, independent of population.


I don't feel the need to read further at this point it's pretty evident that the system is rotten in it's root.

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« Reply #62 on: February 05, 2004, 11:06:35 AM »
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Originally posted by bike killa
allways been... :lol

as long as France, Germany and GB will be pushing the cart in the other direction Europe will be weak :)

As long as France, Germany and GB will try to held the "king of the hill" position (this is what really funny), europe will be weak :)

I'm glad Poland is too weak to participate in the king of the hill compatition... so as rest of the countries... that wouldn't be fun anymore... that would be sad :rolleyes:

just sayin


So if youre the genious that can figure out how it can be run without trying and failing please teach us mate :D

This is a diffucult sortie, many independent countries that is trying to solve problems, that goes between old nations, yeah tell me how you do it easy please ?

This need time lots of time !!
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« Reply #63 on: February 05, 2004, 11:19:04 AM »
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No, it's actually a pretty slick system. The old guys were pretty smart.

Every State gets TWO Senators. Period. Fixed rule, independent of population.

The total number of seats in the House of Representatives is limited to 435.  (I don't know how or when they decided on 435, but they did. I'm sure I could google it up.)

Every State also gets ONE House Representative, no matter how small its population. Additional Representatives are based on population above this "minimum".

Each State is allocated a number of Electors equal to the number of its U.S. Senators (always 2) plus the number of its U.S. Representatives (which may change each decade according to the size of each State's population as determined in the Census).

So, there's an "equality factor" from the two "Senatorial Electors" but it's also adjusted for population "House of Representatives Electors."

The Census, as you can see, is of MAJOR importance in our political system. A lot of folks don't realize that.

So all you EU's would have to decide a "max number of Representatives to apportion those votes.

Each would get a base of say 2 EU College votes (Senators) and then you'd get 1 more no matter what your population. This ensures everyone has at least 3 votes. Then, additional votes would apportioned based on the "max" and your population over the "minimum".

Our minimum works like this (I'm sure you physicists types like formulas.  ;) )


COMPUTING APPORTIONMENT



Clear and simple, eh?  ;)



Thats how it should be done !!!! But countries like Germany, France and UK will never ever give up the  votes they have for the smaller countries in Europe.

And that is the biggest problem for them to agree about anyting.

That is also why Norway stays out until it changes (damn we are only 4 million inhabitants) and because of  that reason will be outnumbered big time everytime somthing woulda been voted over.
(and that is not a democraty at all, thank god we are able to support ourselve without any help)

 Well personally i dont think Europe is ready for it, but its worth working for cause it is a good idea.
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« Reply #64 on: February 05, 2004, 11:27:36 AM »
Look on the bright side Bike Killa, once Poland joins the EU I'll be able to buy myself a nice little place over there with pocket change and spend my holidays improving the local gene pool.  :p

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« Reply #65 on: February 05, 2004, 01:22:49 PM »
Ya'll should just sit back and take a look at all of what has been written by each of you and will notice one thing that has been a big problem for all of the world for centuries, lack of willingness to sit back and listen to the other man and understand what he is trying to say and invoke your own jealousies and bad experiences of the past towards your opinions with out realising it. This is known recently as "failure to communicate" and ends up being " a cluster ----" or "snafu".

  Nationality or "patriotism" has kept this world at odds against each other and until the human races realises this then there will be no true "utopia" where we all get along together and "respect" the views of others and the reasons they see differently than you do with out having to go to war to stress your point, which the common man has no choice but to follow the laws of his leaders or be considered a traitor in his own home land.

This medium has allowed us  to talk to each other and try to understand each other in a different way than man has ever to do in many centuries. And has allowed each of us to meet others we would not have had the oppurtunity to do at any other time in human history. Unfortunaely we are still under the iron of our worldly leaders whom determine the direction each of us must follow.
 
Just some rambling of many years of service to a nation that has allowed my family to be free oppression and grow because my forefathers were allowed to become members of a republic with very different ideals compared to the rest of the world, it is this diversity that has allowed her to be what she is today, but has been forced by treachery of other nations into  a position she has never wanted but with her inexperience of world affairs is trying her best to fight against mans inhumanity to man.

Oh great day forgot to add: With all this in mind until each of the European nations forget about the past who they were and what they were and and what was a part of of what, then I see no way that the EU will ever develop a working constitutional government. The leaders of these countries need to forget about the big dog, little dog mentallity and look at each other as equals in a common endeavor or otherwise it will never succeed or ever happen.
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« Reply #66 on: February 05, 2004, 01:28:33 PM »
Btw, as far as senate and house of representatives system goes:
Europe has commision - each country has a 1 commisioner with same weight in votes. 25 in all, just like 100 senators, 2 per each state.
Europian partlament should be compared to House of Representatives if anything.