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« on: February 03, 2004, 01:38:43 PM »
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A 73-year-old St. Louis County, Missouri, man looked up from his television one night to see an armed man holding 4-inch shears to his wife’s throat. The intruder had broken into the couple’s basement through a window and tied a curtain around his face as a mask. The man grabbed the homeowner’s wife when she came downstairs and forced her into the living room where he demanded money from her husband. The homeowner managed to keep his wits about him and told the bandit that he needed to retrieve his wallet from the bedroom. He returned instead with a gun and, as his wife pulled away, shot her captor. The man was able to pull the woman outside with him, but finally succumbed to his wounds and collapsed. (St. Louis Post-Dispatch, St. Louis, Missouri, 11/20/03)

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Jeff Pantzer of Stuart, Florida, was awakened in the night by the sound of blinds rattling. Someone had broken in just five months previously, and Pantzer now kept a shotgun just in case. He took up his gun and fired as he saw a man’s legs enter his window, scaring the would-be burglar right out of his shoes. “My safety was my first consideration,” Pantzer said. “It was real quick, he was halfway in the window … I fired, and he exited the window at the same time … .” The suspect was not apprehended, but police say he may be linked to four similar burglaries in the area. (The News, Stuart, Florida, 11/27/03)

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Two armed men burst into a Coatesville, Pennsylvania, home and demanded money from the two occupants in the living room. One of the armed invaders went up to the master bedroom and threatened to shoot or beat the couple in bed if they didn’t hand over some money. The man in bed, identified as Omar Reid, grabbed a pistol from the nightstand drawer and shot the robber just as he shot at Reid. With one intruder down, Reid then raced down the stairs where he encountered the second man and they exchanged fire. The second home invader fled the scene. Reid was not injured during the gunfire. The wounded invader was taken to the hospital. (Daily Local News, Westchester, Pennsylvania, 11/07/03)

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When Judy Abram had her sisters over to play dominoes, a man walked up to the house and attempted to break through Abram’s living room window. She yelled at the man to leave, but he continued coming in the window. Abram then ran to her bedroom and returned with a pistol. She aimed it at the home invader saying, “Can’t you see I have a gun? Get out of here!” The intruder continued to advance on her so she fired at him, emptying her gun. Suffering from a gunshot wound to the chest, the home-invader then went to a neighbor’s house, where he crashed through the living room window and collapsed. He was pronounced dead at the scene. (San Antonio Express-News, San Antonio, Texas, 11/03/03)

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A Freeport, New York, woman has her boyfriend and his brother to thank for rescuing her from a rapist. First Squad Det. Lt. Andrew Fal of Nassau, New York, reported that the suspect was believed to have been hiding in the basement of the home for some time. When the woman’s boyfriend left for work, the intruder hid his face with a surgical mask and went upstairs. He attacked the woman in her bedroom, punching her repeatedly in the face, and then tried to rape her. The boyfriend’s brother, who also lives in the home, heard the commotion and thought his brother was having a fight with his girlfriend. He called the brother on his cell phone to see what was going on, and when his brother told him he was driving to work, the two realized the woman was in real trouble. The brother called the police and retrieved a 9mm pistol. The woman’s boyfriend returned to the house where he and his brother confronted her attacker, holding him at gunpoint until authorities arrived and placed her attacker under arrest. (Newsday, New York, New York, 11/22/03)

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A Madison County, Mississippi, woman shot and killed her attacker during a home invasion. The woman had answered her door late one evening when a man armed with a gun forced his way inside. “He physically assaulted her,” reported Madison County Sheriff Toby Trowbridge. The homeowner managed to pull her gun just as her attacker drew his. The home invader, shot in the abdomen, ran from the house and collapsed in the driveway, according to police reports. A suspected accomplice drove away in a car and has not been located. The homeowner was taken to the hospital suffering from a gunshot wound to her side, and was reported to be in stable condition. (Clarion-Ledger, Jackson, Mississippi, 12/02/03)

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A Salem, Massachusetts, resident learned what a great deterrent owning a gun can be. The resident called police, not to report being a victim of a crime, but to say that he discovered a man “all dressed in black” trying to break into his home. The resident aimed his gun at the would-be intruder, who decided to cut his losses and run. (The Salem News, Salem, Massachussetts, 11/28/03)

Studies indicate that firearms are used over two million times a year for personal protection, and that the presence of a firearm, without a shot being fired, prevents crime in many instances. Shooting usually can be justified only where crime constitutes an immediate, imminent threat to life, limb, or, in some cases, property. Anyone is free to quote or reproduce these accounts. Send clippings to: “The Armed Citizen,” 11250 Waples Mill Rd., Fairfax, VA 22030-9400.


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« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2004, 01:58:55 PM »
Cool.

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« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2004, 02:03:47 PM »
Woah.  That sucks.  Who are these people?




And why does their aim suck?  So few criminals pronounced dead.  What a shame.
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« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2004, 02:24:14 PM »
Last week I was stoped at the red light at 48th and Arlington. Coming from the right I eard 6 bangs in a rapid succession. As I turned my head, a black teen went runing in front off my truck blindly shooting behind his back. I followed the guy with my head, quite amazed how he could look one direction and shoot the other... and miss my truck.
Then an another black teen poped out of nowhere, with a gun in his right hand. He stood a couple of yards from my truck, acting all exited waving his gun at the other guy (who was already out of sight) and shoot "whaz up, what u got niger".
Then he looked at me and smiled, I smiled back.

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Yesterday I wished I had my camera. At Vernon and Normandie, there is an anti-violence bilboard. Something like gun+crime=federal time. There are 4 guns drawn, each gun make a 'F", with the 4 sentences "no Future", "No Familly" ...
Below the billboard was a dead body and 7 police cars.
God I wished I had my camera.

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Doing a roof at Avalon and the 49th 5 months ago, my attention is drawn by tires skritches. I look to witness a car driving erratically in traffic. The thing finally jumps on the curb and stops. A BIG mexican guy walks away from the car, not really walking straight, and proceeds to the middle of the road.
He stoped the traffic. Cars accumulated and were honking at him. He stood defiant waving "what ... what ... what u gona do". Then he ripped his teeshirt appart and pulled a Uzi and shot some short burst on the top of the cars. The two fat chicks in the first car ran away like I would have not guaged possible.
The Mexican guy walked to a car, open the door and "kicked" the driver out. He sat at the wheel but couldn't find the keys (The driver kept them). So he jumped on the hood of the xar waving his gun.

Comes by a police car, that waved thru traffic and leave the scene.

From his hood, the mexican guy shot a few more bullets, then waved his gun around. Waving his gun, he droped it. The Uzi flew off in the street. Two guy in a black SUV ran to get the Uzi, went back in the SUV and took off.

The mexican guy leaves the hood of the car, and walks away. LAPD arrives, go runing after the guy. Shots are eard (didn't see from the roof), the guy was shot dead.

Some of the samples, of the eye witness of a normal citizen, with a normal life. I wish I had the gun so i could shoot at people with guns.:(
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« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2004, 02:49:08 PM »
SFRT - Frenchy

So, do you think any of these people commiting those acts were careful to follow all the appropriate gun laws of the state?  I wonder if adding more laws on top of the ones that exist would help?

Just wondering, since the only one gun laws effect are the people who follow the laws and don't cause the problems anyway.


Always heartwarming to read "The Armed Citizen".  I hope I never have to shoot anyone, but I also hope if I ever am in the situation to need to do so, I am not prevented from doing so.

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« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2004, 03:04:43 PM »
I'm wondering why no one shot back...
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« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2004, 04:25:45 PM »
CPRA.......


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« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2004, 05:07:28 PM »
HOUSTON- A child is in the hospital after a shooting at an elementary school this morning.
A fifth grader at Cynthia Youens Elementary School was taken to the hospital with an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound to the stomach.
School officials say that the student brought the gun from home. They say when he walked in this morning, he had the gun tucked into his pants.
Around 10:30 a.m., the student pulled the .380 automatic pistol out to show to another student, and when he was putting it back it accidentally discharged, hitting him in the groin.
"I'm very concerned that he would be able to get a gun, very. Yeah, that's very scary for him to bring a gun to school, and interact with my child, especially," said one concerned parent.
Parents are suggesting that metal detectors be put in the school
He was able to tell officers that he took the gun from his garage and brought it to school this morning.
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HARTFORD- On Monday, Ron Gonzales, 36, of Hanford, accepted a misdemeanor child endangerment plea offer and was sentenced shortly after. Gonzales is the father of the 12-year-old and 6-year-old brothers involved in the Dec. 30 shooting that wounded the younger boy in the chest, Kings County District Attorney officials reported.
Going into sentencing Monday, Gonzales faced a maximum penalty of one year in county jail, Chief Deputy DA Patrick Hart said. However, the father was sentenced to three years probation.
"The major term (of his probation) is that (Gonzales) will have to record some public service announcements that will be airing on local television" stations, Hart said. "Basically, they're a message from a father who's been in the middle of this type of tragedy and is trying to convey the seriousness of leaving guns where kids can get to them.
"We think the message coming from a father, who had his own child shot through his own negligence, is going to be a much stronger message than a message coming from me, the chief of police or other law enforcement sources," Hart said. Gonzales "can convey the grief he feels much more strongly than a member of law enforcement who, essentially, is looking at it from the outside."
The shooting occurred at approximately 8:30 a.m. Dec. 30 at the Gonzales residence located in the 1000 block of Jordan Way. Apparently, the 12-year-old "accidentally" fired a .22-caliber revolver at his 6-year-old brother, Hanford Police Department officials reported.
Hart said the boys retrieved the gun - which was unloaded - from under a cushion in a couch in the living room where Gonzales stored it. The handgun, which has a capacity to hold six rounds, only had one expended round when officers located it later.
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NORFOLK — An 8-year-old boy found a gun at a baby-sitter’s house and shot himself in the hand early today, according to a city police spokeswoman.
The child was brought to Children’s Hospital of the King’s Daughters for treatment after the 12:08 a.m. shooting, which happened in the 400 block of E. Little Creek Road, said Officer Valorie Massingill. No charges had been filed, and an investigation was underway, she said today.
The child’s wound was not life-threatening, she said.
The boy was being cared for at a neighbor’s house, she said. He poked around and found the weapon, and fired it, Massingill said.
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GREAT FALLS- A hunters' education instructor accidentally fired a gun inside the Four Seasons Arena Friday at the Montana Hunting and Fishing Outdoors Show.
People, including a woman and her child, were in the area, but no one was hurt.
Sheriff's Capt. Dan Smrdel said the man, who was helping run the Fish, Wildlife and Parks booth, was checking a weapon and clearing it when the gun discharged into the floor. The bullet ricocheted and hit a wall.
"They were very lucky no one was struck," Smrdel said Monday.
The shot was fired around 6 p.m., an hour after the show opened. Sheriff's deputies investigated, turning the case over to the county attorney's office to decide if any charges would be filed.
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RIDLEY TOWNSHIP - The man charged with the accidental fatal shooting of his younger brother plans to enter a guilty plea next week, his attorney said Monday.
Patrick Sharkey, 20, of the 1300 block of Constitution Avenue in the township’s Woodlyn section, waived his preliminary hearing Monday before District Justice Vincent Gallagher.

Sharkey is charged with the Nov. 26 shooting of his 12-year-old brother, James "J.J" Sharkey, in the family’s home.

Police say Sharkey was in a bedroom watching TV with his younger brother and several other people at about 9:50 p.m. when a .22-caliber revolver the older Sharkey was handling discharged. The bullet struck "J.J." in the head.
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SPRINGFIELD- An 11-year-old Springfield girl was accidentally shot and killed Saturday by her 15-year-old cousin while he was unloading a .270-caliber deer rifle, according to Webster County Sheriff Ron Worsham.
The girl, Madeline Cara Webb, died at about 4 p.m. Saturday afternoon at her uncle's home northeast of Rogersville.
"Basically, she died instantly," Worsham said.
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« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2004, 05:23:28 PM »
Tragic. I see these accounts not as an argument for more gun laws/bans, but an argument in favor of gun safety and education.  Maybe if more people were tought to respect and safely handle firearms we wouldn't see as many of these ugly incidents.

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« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2004, 05:25:15 PM »
RPM
 Guns are not the problem in any of the things you posted. Stupid owners are.

Every case above could have been prevented by proper storage or training

Stupid people will find stupid ways to hurt themselves.

How many babied babies die in bathtubs? How many people die from no seatbelts?  

People can be dumb, you can't save them from that. Nor should you try by taking away my freedom
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« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2004, 05:28:26 PM »
RPM those are sad stories that really highlight the need for firearms safety education.  Why don't you help out and send a donation to the NRA or another group that promotes and teaches firearms safety?
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« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2004, 05:30:17 PM »
GTO, I am actually a gun owner and agree 100% that the owners were at fault. Stupid people should not be allowed to own them. Just wanted to post a reply to the NRA rhetoric.
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« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2004, 05:34:42 PM »
RPM
 I agree dumb people and guns are not a good combo.

 The problem is how do you make laws that stop stupid people from getting them? Not to mention, some ACLU type will get their panties in a knot over descriminating agaist morons! :D


Another problem is, most anti gun people are making the laws with the goal of making gun purchases so hard no one can do it. I do not trust those people to make laws that are fair. Hell some of the gun laws in cali are so ****ing dumb they make me sick.

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« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2004, 05:49:22 PM »
As badly as I hate to say this, I think the Gun Show law should be passed. It would close a lot of loopholes. I don't have any figures to back this up, but I would venture a guess that most guns used in crimes are not bought at traditional Gun Shops, they are bought on the street.
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« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2004, 06:06:12 PM »
Wow, I read this stuff and it makes me realize how lucky I am to not live in the USA. Honestly guys, its scares me what you post.

I think the whole gun-law debate you guys have is academic now, you've gone so far done the road you'll never back out of it.