Author Topic: Simple question about guns for non-Americans and people living outside the US. (Read 6186 times)

lazs2 · « **Reply #15 on:** February 04, 2004, 08:26:12 AM »

What if your crime went down. What if your homicides stayed the same but more were committed by guns? What if you weren't neurotic about firearms? What if you were capable of alowing your fellow citizen the right to personal freedom?

lazs

Dowding · « **Reply #16 on:** February 04, 2004, 08:27:42 AM »

Ghosth, what are you going to hunt in Britain? We don't have expanses of forest populated by wild deer etc. It's all privately owned by toffs in patched-elbow jackets. On that land, you can shoot grouse and you can shoot deer, but you pay dearly for the priviledge. There is no public land to hunt on, AFAIK.

Dowding · « **Reply #17 on:** February 04, 2004, 08:30:15 AM »

What if you lend us that crystal ball of yours Lazs? Don't pretend you have a better idea than everybody else on the consequences of relaxed gun control. You don't.

lazs2 · « **Reply #18 on:** February 04, 2004, 08:35:13 AM »

dowding.. I think you are being fairly open minded about the thing but... I think you are wrong. I think U.S. gun laws are too restrictive in most areas. "Must issue" states (concealed carry) are the ones where guns do the most good. they prevent crime and protect the average citizen. Having the government know where all the firearms are does nothing for preventing crime but defeats the purpose of firearms in the hands of citizens as it applies to tyranny. Hunting is not an issue. Shooting your own firearms on private property out of the city limits (in a safe manor) hurts no one... "gun clubs" are just a needless expense.

I agree with you on the training thing. The NRA has excellent training programs but they have been banned from American schools... did that help anything?

lazs

Ripsnort · « **Reply #19 on:** February 04, 2004, 08:38:39 AM »

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Originally posted by Curval
Plinking? Where? Too many people would get hurt from stray bullets.

You don't have shooting ranges in Bermuda?

lazs2 · « **Reply #20 on:** February 04, 2004, 08:41:01 AM »

Seems that using the whole frigging ocean on all sides of you as a bullet trap would be plenty safe.

lazs

Ripsnort · « **Reply #21 on:** February 04, 2004, 08:43:10 AM »

Dowding, when you buy a gun in the U.S., there is an FBI background check done. Sometimes it may take up to 3 days, but usually they're pretty fast about it.

CyranoAH · « **Reply #22 on:** February 04, 2004, 08:43:23 AM »

Curval · « **Reply #23 on:** February 04, 2004, 08:43:36 AM »

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Originally posted by Curval
If you want to shoot guns you merely have to join the gun-club. Then you can fire away to your hearts content - in a supervised safe area designated for this purpose.

Rip,

The gun range is situated at the Regiment (our wee little "army"). Only one...as it is such a small place, with very low demand for such activity.

Also...that hotel is located in Brunai, Darussalam. The golf course does, however, have Bermuda grass.

Dowding · « **Reply #24 on:** February 04, 2004, 08:43:58 AM »

I am open-minded about guns. I think banning them outright went too far and had no measurable impact on crime (positive or negative), since it wasn't as if many people had them anyway - they were a rarity. I'm not just saying that, it is the honest truth.

It boils down to whether you see guns as some sort of obstacle to 'tyranny' as you put it or a hobby or a deterrent to crime. The latter two I can understand, the former is something based in the American culture which I will never share or understand. I think there are greater threats to the liberty of British people than the government going totalitarian. So far, history supports my viewpoint. Civil uprisings without the support of a significant part of the military have nearly always failed. The guys with the real guns wearing uniforms end up being the revolutionaries.

And Dago, we have a well trained armed forces that takes care of defence. We don't need civilians armed with 9mm pistols to add to it.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #25 on:** February 04, 2004, 08:45:14 AM »

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Originally posted by Curval
...as it is such a small place, with very low demand for such activity.

Curval, you only need 100 feet maximum for a pistol range.

Curval · « **Reply #26 on:** February 04, 2004, 08:47:04 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
Seems that using the whole frigging ocean on all sides of you as a bullet trap would be plenty safe.

lazs

Assuming that no boats are floating by, yes. In fact when we had our shooting competitions when I was in the Regiment on the dunes behind a beach. Any round that missed high went in the water.

They had boats out in the water to stop people from getting into the firing line in their boats.

Curval · « **Reply #27 on:** February 04, 2004, 08:48:16 AM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Curval, you only need 100 feet maximum for a pistol range.

lol that is being generous Rip.

I actually only need 25 feet.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #28 on:** February 04, 2004, 08:53:22 AM »

LOL!

Hey, I tested out my .40 cal last friday, 50-feet. Of the first 10 shots, the first 2 were bullseyes, the remainder were grouped pretty good, then is was all downhill from there

I'm not used to the trigger yet so more practice!

lazs2 · « **Reply #29 on:** February 04, 2004, 08:58:53 AM »

rip... u were flinching. If the firs shots grouped well and latter ones were scattered. There are charts to tell you what you are doing after looking at your target.

lazs