Toad - you wanted proof? It's live right now

[Nakhui]

It's on CSpan right now, being read into the Congressional Record. Intel report after intel report that cautioned the White House, Defense Department, and State Department over the past 2 years that there is no credible evidence (intelligence) of WMD in Iraq.

Included are senior analyst names, reporting agencies, report dates, addressees, and de-classified content.

The internal CYA in the intel community has been going on long before the Iraqi war began, long before any call for an investigation, because everyone knew the day would come when the idiots in the White House would not find WMD and then there would be questions to be answered.

Enjoy!

[Bodhi]

What an arse, you sound almost happy that this may be the case.  Yet, it will not be the first time a bunch of cover ups went on in the Congress.  Time will tell.

[Sikboy]

Originally posted by Bodhi
What an arse, you sound almost happy that this may be the case.  

Hmmm, I would be much happier if this were the case. I'd much rather have WMD in Iraq turn out to be the "spoonfull of sugar that helps the policy go down." Much better for this to be the result of an administration willing to do anything to remove Sadam From Power than to be the result of REALLY REALLY ****ty intel. Which is easier to fix, the administration or the Intel system?

I guess we'll find out in November.

-Sik

[Bodhi]

Originally posted by Sikboy
Hmmm, I would be much happier if this were the case. I'd much rather have WMD in Iraq turn out to be the "spoonfull of sugar that helps the policy go down." Much better for this to be the result of an administration willing to do anything to remove Sadam From Power than to be the result of REALLY REALLY ****ty intel. Which is easier to fix, the administration or the Intel system?

I guess we'll find out in November.

-Sik

Spoken like a true liberal.

[Sikboy]

Originally posted by Bodhi


Spoken like a true liberal.

And surprisingly enough I'm not one.

-Sik

[kappa]

Are you talking about the testimony by David Kaye?? I think thats his name..

[kappa]

LMAO  

Also bush said he wanted to appoint a commision much like the Warren commision to find out exactly what went wrong...

Jon Stewart:  Ahh that'll fix things.. I mean, they really summed up and left no questions unanswered in that whole kennedy thing..

[Frogm4n]

If you dont agree with everything Mr bush number 2 does. your obviously an unamerican liberal.

[Toad]

Well, I view this as a good thing. Let's get it all out in the open.

But if there's no clear indictment of the current administration you're still going to say this investigation will be skewed, defanged and covered up, right?

In other words, if they don't agree with your preconceived notions, then it is all wrong, a conspiracy and you're still the only one with the right answer? Have I missed it by much?

I'm on record here on this BBS, long prior to the invasion, saying that Iraqi WMD had to be found to justify the invasion of another sovereign nation. I'm also on record as saying, in the event no WMD are found, that Bush will have to be held accountable for wasting our solider's lives and our nation's treasure in a huge mistake.

I believed what they said prior to the invasion. As I said before, they've got Saddam now and if they can't squeeze the WMD info out of the big cheese then I'm going to have to assume they screwed up. Then there must be accountability/responsiblity.

But I'm not ready to jump on your particular bandwagon just yet.

Especially not the conspiracy theory aspect of it all. You fail to realize that the Intel guys are going into CYA mode. They don't want to be held accountable/responsible either.

For your reading pleasure, while the actual investigation progresses:

Weapons of mass deception

Congress needs to find out why, with all our resources, we had not a clue that this was going on. But Kay makes clear that Bush was relying on what the intelligence agencies were telling him. Kay contradicts the reckless Democratic charges that Bush cooked the books. "All the analysts I have talked to said they never felt pressured on WMD," says Kay. "Everyone believed that (Iraq) had WMD."

And here's another one from Debka. This is a somewhat "fringe" site that is perhaps the counterbalance to your fringe conspiracy theories. I take most of what they print with a grain of salt but it's an Israeli site suspected to be a "mouthpiece" for things the Israeli government wants known. That would include propaganda as well as truth. Still, they do "scoop" other newsources now and again with some interesting stuff. So, this may or may not be true. But I'm sure an open-minded seeker of the truth like yourself will always want to examine both sides of the issue.

 Dr. Kay Had Maps with Coordinates of WMD Hiding Places in Syria


Enjoy!

[CyranoAH]

At the very least your government says "we may be wrong", our says it's the UN fault: "Why did they keep telling Iraq to disarm if there were no WMD? It's their fault for leading us to think they had them".

Comedy central at its best.

Daniel

[Nakhui]

Originally posted by Toad
Well, I view this as a good thing. Let's get it all out in the open.
But if there's no clear indictment of the current administration you're still going to say this investigation will be skewed, defanged and covered up, right?

I understand you don't like my characterization that Bush is a liar.
I can understand where you're coming from, and hey after all, you only know what the millions of other media fed Americans know.

Let's see what do we know?

No STOCK PILES of WMD in Iraq - proven.

Did Bush lie? Be patient grasshopper.

You have a quote from Kay.... hmmm... just like all those other reliable quotes about WMD in Iraq. What does that prove? How do you know that Kay's opinion is right or wrong - just because he says so? Naive!

Well here's a hint...
Kay was appointed to run a Fool's Errand.

I alluded to documents and reports in earliers posts - well now. Today some facts about them became open sourced and placed on the record.

You really have me wrong. I don't think the investigations will be skewed.

There's STOCK PILES of freaking evidence to show that it is the White House that skewed the intel reports.

Where's the Proof! Coming! Be Patient.

And yes you'll read stories about it's the intelligence communities fault. And then you'll read stories that it's the White House's fault.

The finger pointing is starting.
No the Intel Community is not just starting to CYA - not in reaction to this.

So who's telling the truth?

What did I say about matching up what was said and what has come to be known as True or False.

Back to my Pattern theory - Could start thinking for your self and stop letting others think for you. Just because you read it in the news doesn't make it true.

And at this point, the process is really out of the White House's control.
Hint: Two weeks ago Bush didn't want an investigation.
Ding! This week he's all in favor of it.


Why the sudden change of mind - He has no freaking choice!
There's a lot of smart people who just don't like being lied too, and they are the ones who want to know the truth - Bush already knows the truth.

Powell is already distancing himself (at least trying to... the finger pointing is starting!).

Ok here's an example for you: Did you read Saturday's Washington post? The story I'm referring too... no doubt originated from a State Department source, it talked about how Powell repeatedly asked for the CIA to confirm the 10 most solid WMD items, and then rather subtlely it mentions that the CIA intel reports which were sent to the White House came back to the State Department drastically changed.

Did you catch that liberal TV rag 60 minutes tonight?

We'll see...

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by kappa
Are you talking about the testimony by David Kaye?? I think thats his name..

In Senate testimony, Kay placed the blame for overestimating Iraq's weapons capabilities squarely on the intelligence community and said he had seen no evidence that administration officials put pressure on analysts to come up with preconceived results.

Kay based his exoneration of the administration on the fact that intelligence analysts who helped him in the search for illicit weapons in Iraq repeatedly apologized for being so far off base in their prewar estimates. Not a single analyst complained to him of any pressure being applied.

[Toad]

But you see.. Kay is part of the conspiracy.

No one will tell the truth in this. No one.

Only Nexus knows the truth.



BTW, I'm very patient. But at absolute max it stretches to the first Tuesday in November.

[ramzey]

we are USA and allies, we not need to appology anyone for anything

btw its saddam foult, he should have this wmd ;-)

[Dowding]

Toad if you believe an Israeli 'fringe' site, which you admit is broadcasting Israeli propaganda as part of its modus operandi, is going to have anything good to say about Syria, I'll be very disappointed.