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« Reply #45 on: February 06, 2004, 08:21:00 AM »
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Indeed. Put "Bush AND Hitler" in the BBS search specifying "The O-Club". Seven pages of threads.


Try "Bush AND Clinton" give eleven pages so Clinton == hitler.

Should I explain how your search is flawed ?

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« Reply #46 on: February 06, 2004, 08:28:02 AM »
The only argument I'm making is that for a "straw man argument" it sure gets used a lot here.

Argue that.  ;)
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« Reply #47 on: February 06, 2004, 08:52:28 AM »
heuuuu ...

I don't know clearly what a "straw man argument" is :)

I did a "Bush AND straffo" search it gave me only 17 threads so I guess  straffo != hitler ... yet :D

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« Reply #48 on: February 06, 2004, 08:56:19 AM »
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heuuuu ...

I don't know clearly what a "straw man argument" is :)

I did a "Bush AND straffo" search it gave me only 17 threads so I guess  straffo != hitler ... yet :D


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« Reply #49 on: February 06, 2004, 08:59:11 AM »
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The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. This sort of "reasoning" has the following pattern:


Person A has position X.
Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X).
Person B attacks position Y.
Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because attacking a distorted version of a position simply does not constitute an attack on the position itself. One might as well expect an attack on a poor drawing of a person to hurt the person.



But, OK; none of us have ever read that particular straw man argument here in the O'Club.
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« Reply #50 on: February 06, 2004, 09:09:34 AM »
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But, OK; none of us have ever read that particular straw man argument here in the O'Club.


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« Reply #51 on: February 06, 2004, 09:31:59 AM »
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I wouldn't go that far Saur. The Democratic politicians in question were/are cowardly, visionless, positionless, leadership challenged, politically expedient, self interested Washington political tools -- but liars is a bit of a stretch. Does willfully negligent work?

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I agree - thats kind of my point.  I wouldnt accuse those Democrats of lying any more than I would Bush.  At worst, they made decisions with bad information - thats not "lying."

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« Reply #52 on: February 06, 2004, 11:00:35 AM »
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I agree - thats kind of my point.  I wouldnt accuse those Democrats of lying any more than I would Bush.  At worst, they made decisions with bad information - thats not "lying."


Well Clinton did lie about having sex...

BTW since when is Bush Not Hitler... you revisionists always rewriting history! ;)

And you know historically the economy has always done well with a democratic President, and always very bad with a Republican in office.... so if you want he economy to improve vote for the liberal!

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« Reply #53 on: February 06, 2004, 11:28:18 AM »
Thats right Nexus, Clinton did lie about Lewinsky.

You see- when faced with the question;

"Did you engage in sexual actions with Ms. Lewinski?"

Clinton responded;

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms. Lewinski."

When he knew the answer was 'Yes" (cause he was there).

When you answer 'No' when you are well aware than the truthful answer is 'Yes' thats lying.

Acting on bad information you didnt know was bad in the first place isnt lying.

In addition, effects on the economy ususally take years following policy implementation and are unrelated to who is in office for the most part.
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« Reply #54 on: February 06, 2004, 01:06:28 PM »
and no tape recorder in the office he made damn shure of that.

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« Reply #55 on: February 06, 2004, 01:10:47 PM »
DAMN YOU BILL CLINTON!!!!!!!!!!

After 3 years of NOT being in office your presidecy is STILL failing america!!!!
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« Reply #56 on: February 06, 2004, 01:28:16 PM »
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Thats right Nexus, Clinton did lie about Lewinsky.

You see- when faced with the question;

"Did you engage in sexual actions with Ms. Lewinski?"

Clinton responded;

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms. Lewinski."

When he knew the answer was 'Yes" (cause he was there).

When you answer 'No' when you are well aware than the truthful answer is 'Yes' thats lying.

Acting on bad information you didnt know was bad in the first place isnt lying.

In addition, effects on the economy ususally take years following policy implementation and are unrelated to who is in office for the most part.


I see your logic now... so Bush HW set up such a good economic policy with a Democratic Congress that it carried Clinton for 8 years of phenominal prosperity...

But Clinton was such a screw up with a Republican Congress that it took 8 years pluse a little into Bush Dubya's administration before the economy really got bad.

One thing I don't understand how was it that Clinton was able to balance the budget and create a surplus? Is that credit given to HW?

And the fact that Dubya was able to take that surplus give it to the rich and then screw the pooch all in one year... that's Clinton's fault?

I have this theory that... oval office blow jobs help inflate the prosperity of the US economy.

Perhaps Dubya should get a few!

Oh yahand.... Bush is Hitler  - it's obviously the same Nazi smirk minus the mustache. :rofl

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« Reply #57 on: February 06, 2004, 01:58:32 PM »
Clearly this entire Clinton episode is nothing more than a fluffed chewbacca defense... As well as the other thread circulating around..
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« Reply #58 on: February 06, 2004, 02:01:05 PM »
You're not really going to try and make the case that any President controls the business cycle are you? Or that with 100 Senators and 435 Representatives that the President is the one man solely responsible for US economic and tax related lawmaking?

Are you?
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« Reply #59 on: February 06, 2004, 03:16:28 PM »
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You're not really going to try and make the case that any President controls the business cycle are you? Or that with 100 Senators and 435 Representatives that the President is the one man solely responsible for US economic and tax related lawmaking?

Are you?


Who Me? No.

In fact I don't believe the President or the Congress have any control over the economy [that would be the little guy behind the
curtain who controls the money flow - Alan Greenspan].

If they did, they would probably keep it going up - wouldn't you
agree?

They do have control over who they give tax relief too - don't they!

It's amazing how often tax law changes!