Author Topic: Answer to spit, La7 Hordes..... (Read 1203 times)

weaselsan · « **on:** February 05, 2004, 03:26:05 PM »

The KI 84 in Aces High ll.....

Delirium · « **Reply #1 on:** February 05, 2004, 03:56:25 PM »

Yea, instead we'll see 50% of the arena with those things.

No thanks...

Zazen13 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 05, 2004, 04:10:55 PM »

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Originally posted by Delirium
Yea, instead we'll see 50% of the arena with those things.

No thanks...

Yea, reminds me of AWFR with Big Pac planeset 3 outta 4 planes were Ki84's...

Zazen

weaselsan · « **Reply #3 on:** February 05, 2004, 04:54:43 PM »

Zazen...I remember you. Good to see your still in the flight sims. Still cherry pickin with a 190? It worked real well for you in AW.
You were generally high on the board.

Zazen13 · « **Reply #4 on:** February 05, 2004, 05:12:54 PM »

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Originally posted by weaselsan
Zazen...I remember you. Good to see your still in the flight sims. Still cherry pickin with a 190? It worked real well for you in AW.
You were generally high on the board.

Heh, yea, still cherry picking away, I'll always cherry pick so long as people continue to fly like cherries , kind of like the old saying, "It takes a willing vulchee for there to be a vulcher"

But, I had to give up the Fw190, the AH version does not appeal to me. Pitifull nose low deflection view (realistic, AW's was probably too generous), questionable ballistics, and a flight model that is very suspect. As far as being high on the AWFR killboard goes, yea I won more than my fair share of Fighter camps, but that was just an incidental symptom of me endeavoring to fly my chosen ride as realistically as possible within the paradigm of the gaming environment.

Zazen

Furious · « **Reply #5 on:** February 05, 2004, 05:29:08 PM »

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Originally posted by Zazen13
...I had to give up the Fw190, the AH version does not appeal to me. Pitifull nose low deflection view (realistic, AW's was probably too generous), questionable ballistics, and a flight model that is very suspect...

Got proof?

Urchin · « **Reply #6 on:** February 05, 2004, 07:26:45 PM »

Lol, Zazen, that is no way to make friends on the AH BBS, trust me on that.

Zazen13 · « **Reply #7 on:** February 05, 2004, 07:40:04 PM »

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Originally posted by Urchin
Lol, Zazen, that is no way to make friends on the AH BBS, trust me on that.

I didn't realise I was supposed to be trying to make cyber friends?!? Damn, here I was just discussing the game I love and ran right into a popularity contest...Doh!...Silly me

Zazen

Zazen13 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 05, 2004, 07:45:24 PM »

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Originally posted by Furious
Got proof?

Of course not, other than the fact that HTC has admitted it generally didn't model forces correctly and/or generalized/oversimplified them too much. I will be interested to see how the Fw190 flies comparatively in AH2 with the revised flight modelling. There seems to be some pretty big discrepancies between how the Fw190 actually performs in AH and how it really did in WW2, especially in the maneuverability department.

From what I understand of first hand accounts and books, the Fw190 when introduced outmaneuvered both the 109 and the Spitfire in most areas at that time, it was a huge shock to the British and was considered the best fighter in Europe until the P51 Mustang came along.

Zazen

Pooh21 · « **Reply #9 on:** February 06, 2004, 12:41:06 AM »

FAs 190 turns with a spit

dang shame all you see are f4u4Cs

beet1e · « **Reply #10 on:** February 06, 2004, 05:26:09 AM »

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Originally posted by Urchin
Lol, Zazen, that is no way to make friends on the AH BBS, trust me on that.

MANDOBLE will be his friend.

Tilt · « **Reply #11 on:** February 06, 2004, 06:00:10 AM »

I always rem Zazen as pony pilot in AW........... must be fading.

AW Ki84 had this super high speed instantanious turn with 1 notch of flap, lousy roll rate (at speed) and you could break the wings.

Interestingly AH's N1K2 FM is closer to AW's Ki84 FM than AW's N1K2 fm.

I think we were supposed to note the cut and paste job on the graphic.................thats an AH terrain isn't it?

Shane · « **Reply #12 on:** February 06, 2004, 06:04:49 AM »

he was fw/f4u in aw3... usually waaaaaaaaay up there at 30k+

oboe · « **Reply #13 on:** February 06, 2004, 07:13:46 AM »

In the same thread where former AW players wave off the Ki.84 because it will be too dominant in the arena, they note the differences between the AW and AH Fw190s.

Doesn't it stand to reason that the AH Ki.84 would have FM differences from the AW Hayate as well, and therefore might not come to be so dominant as it was in AW? I came from Warbirds, and while the Ki.84 was competitive, it certainly wasn't dominant. It could be a handful for the pilot during hard manuevering, and wasn't as fast as the plentiful P-51s or Yak-3s.
It wasn't as popular as the Spit IX.

Could it also be possible that AW's Ki.84 FM had flaws? You have to wonder why 75% of the Big Pac chose to fly them.

And finally, if it really is as bad as the ex-AWers claim, it could be limited by perking it.

Just seems to me former Air Warrior players have been shell-shocked by the Ki.84, but they need to realize it won't be the same bird in AH, and even if it turns out to be as bad as feared, AH has ways to deal with overpopularity.

By the same token though, I can imagine what I would say if a few years down the road I found myself in a different sim, where players were posting pics of the LA-7 saying "we need this one!".

Shane · « **Reply #14 on:** February 06, 2004, 07:24:38 AM »

yeah oboe... if anything the current n1k in AH is more like the
Ki-84 was in AW.... the N1K in AW would be more comparable to the f4u in here.. it was fast... didn't turn as well as the one in AH, nor handle as well slow.

no idea how the frank would end up in AH...