Was this God's plan for Carlie?

[Urchin]

Originally posted by fd ski
You know, if there is one thing that freaks me out its cementaries in Poland. There is a tradition to put little kids close to the enterance and put things like "Joined the choir of angels" on the tombstone. If you look carefully at dates some of them didn't live but a day or two.

Where they ready ? Prabably not even babtized yet.... born with original sin and never given a chance to "know and learn to love/chose to love, god ?"



Whole another thing is an absurdity of the "don't know god you're going to hell" thing. Kid is born in Tibet. Never had a chance to hear of a bible  or learn of christianity. Dies at age of 2 by hand of a brutal murderer... poor bastard... stragitht to hell he goes..

Suave, good post.

That has always puzzled me too, but I think that young children are spared the decision and assumed to be "pure".  Or maybe not, who knows.  That is how it has been explained to me a couple times by religious people.  Of course... if you are a 46 year old Tibetian who has never been exposed to God... are you still going to hell when you die?  Never occured to me to ask that till now...  I'll go bug someone about it .  

And yes...  people are evil.  Hell, even kids are in my opinion.  Just look at how they treat other kids.  And once they grow up, it isn't like they all of a sudden change into good people... adults just learn to hide their intentions better while inflicting more pain/damage.  

YMMV, of course.

[Kieran]

And yes... people are evil. Hell, even kids are in my opinion. Just look at how they treat other kids. And once they grow up, it isn't like they all of a sudden change into good people... adults just learn to hide their intentions better while inflicting more pain/damage.

Even if I were not religious I would believe this to be true. The definition of maturity is the extent to which a person can deny themselves in favor of the needs of others.

[FUNKED1]

That definition even works if you look at evolution.  We could not have evolved to have offspring which are basically helpless for 5-10 years without also evolving the capability to put others before ourselves.

[fd ski]

Originally posted by Kieran
Even if I were not religious I would believe this to be true. The definition of maturity is the extent to which a person can deny themselves in favor of the needs of others.

Bull, question of upbrining. My daughter will try to feed everyone her food, she will more or less make sure you have some toys if you are around... if parents are crap, so will the kid turn out to be.

[lazs2]

The only answer is that.... we don't know anything.

For all we know little carlie could have grown up to give birth to someone worse than Hitler.    

Also.. free will does play a part and responsibility.... How could we let this man loose to do such a thing?

Should we have not put him out of his misery as soon as we had discovered he was a pedophile?

lazs

[Eagler]

Originally posted by fd ski
Bull, question of upbrining. My daughter will try to feed everyone her food, she will more or less make sure you have some toys if you are around... if parents are crap, so will the kid turn out to be.

sometimes but just as many times the reverse is true, the parents are great and  the kid is crap

me believes you start this life with luggage/karma from the previous one(s)

you reap what you sow and death is not an escape - the karma boomerang is timeless

[FUNKED1]

Originally posted by mrblack
I could ask God why did you give me Prostate cancer.

Is this real cancer, cancer from a scorpion bite, or is it another MrBlack "thought experiment"?

[Kieran]

Originally posted by fd ski
Bull, question of upbrining. My daughter will try to feed everyone her food, she will more or less make sure you have some toys if you are around... if parents are crap, so will the kid turn out to be.

If only life were so simple. Fact is, I've seen enough parents in my time to know this is not an absolute. Oh sure, bad parents can make kids worse, but usually it just means kids never mature.

[mrblack]

Originally posted by FUNKED1
Is this real cancer, cancer from a scorpion bite, or is it another MrBlack "thought experiment"?

Heres a suggestion little boy **** off

[FUNKED1]

Originally posted by mrblack
Heres a suggestion little boy **** off

I'll **** off if you stop posting lies about yourself.
If you really are sick like you say then I wish you the best.

[mrblack]

Originally posted by FUNKED1
I'll **** off if you stop posting lies about yourself.
If you really are sick like you say then I wish you the best.

Thank you

[Yeager]

One thing is for sure.  This world is full of evil sin and hatred, where of all things, a sick and grotesque soul would hunt down abduct, rape and murder a beautiful young girl walking home from a slumber party.

If it takes believing in a merciful and loving God to combat the works of brutal terror and savagry then I am reconsidering my doubts about the love of Christ.  The only other alternative is to for all of us to surrender our love and compassion for each other, and for our children, to the viscious blood thirsty animals that hide in our collective heart.

If I can do only one thing to honor the memory of that innocent loving little girl it would be to ask for the guidance and love of Christ, to humble and care for my all to oft wounded soul and to rid me of that brutal animal that resides in my heart.  I want nothing to do with that beast.

Wish me luck.

[mrblack]

Originally posted by Yeager
One thing is for sure.  This world is full of evil sin and hatred, where of all things, a sick and grotesque soul would hunt down abduct, rape and murder a beautiful young girl walking home from a slumber party.

If it takes believing in a merciful and loving God to combat the works of brutal terror and savagry then I am reconsidering my doubts about the love of Christ.  The only other alternative is to for all of us to surrender our love and compassion for each other, and for our children, to the viscious blood thirsty animals that hide in our collective heart.

If I can do only one thing to honor the memory of that innocent loving little girl it would be to ask for the guidance and love of Christ, to humble and care for my all to oft wounded soul and to rid me of that brutal animal that resides in my heart.  I want nothing to do with that beast.

Wish me luck.

MY GOD man well said .

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by Kieran
I couldn't disagree more. There have been billions of people living on this planet. I bet you cannot name 100 people that have started wars in the name of religion, and even if you can, that is a drop in the bucket compared to the number of people who've actually lived. The thing is, doing good doesn't make good press. Doing bad sure does.

The cliche "religion has started more wars than anything else" is false- greed has started more wars than anything else. Greed over land, power, you name it. Add racial bigotry to that list.

Still... a little girl gets raped and killed and God is at fault, and by association the religious. Or am I missing something?

Perhaps you should read what I wrote.

And where did I state it was 'god's fault this little girl got raped. I don't believe in god.

[Eagler]

lawyers crying for gag orders so that this scum gets "a fair trial"

They have additional footage which clearly shows the perps car coming and going from the scene at the time of the abduction - what else do they need !!!

time to turn this guys lights out 4ever - not waste our time & money feeding/clothing/housing this wack job