Author Topic: The only Ford I'd consider buying. (Read 1993 times)

Ripsnort · « **Reply #15 on:** February 09, 2004, 11:30:36 AM »

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Originally posted by Munkii
Actually there will be more than 390hp with the new Cobra, probably closer to 450. The Cobra has been squarely aimed at the C6, and will not come to bat with just 390hp.

Good point. The 2005 vette is checking in at the scales with 400 hp, although these cars really have never met head to head in marketing ploys...the Cobra could be seen as "a contender" if they ever get their hp as well as the suspensions up to par with that of a corvette, but then you'd be adding another $10,000 to the price tag too. They aim for different markets.

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #16 on:** February 09, 2004, 11:41:27 AM »

A revamped Mustang, yes.

An M car killer, no.

Vermillion · « **Reply #17 on:** February 10, 2004, 07:46:47 AM »

Rip, I read that information on a CNN story about the new Mustang, but whether thats reliable or not..... well

its CNN so it MUST be true LOL!

Ripsnort · « **Reply #18 on:** February 10, 2004, 08:00:28 AM »

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Originally posted by Vermillion
Rip, I read that information on a CNN story about the new Mustang, but whether thats reliable or not..... well its CNN so it MUST be true LOL!

LOL Verm. Car and Driver isn't exactly stellar when they post information either.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #19 on:** February 10, 2004, 08:02:19 AM »

dbl post.

lazs2 · « **Reply #20 on:** February 10, 2004, 08:31:04 AM »

Rip... you could have bought a mustang with IRS for a long time now... 500hp+ mustangs can be bought from the dealer for about the same as a BMW and will handle better than you are capable of driving.

lazs

Ripsnort · « **Reply #21 on:** February 10, 2004, 08:48:12 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
Rip... you could have bought a mustang with IRS for a long time now... 500hp+ mustangs can be bought from the dealer for about the same as a BMW and will handle better than you are capable of driving.

lazs

Lazs,
The very first car I test drove was a 2001 SVT cobra. Unfortunately, it did not meet the requirements I had at that time. Hell it was even $2000 cheaper than my 330Ci I ended up getting.

~Back seat is really just a pretty picture, unusable (I need this for my kids, I'm hoping that they improve the back seats in the 2005 models)
~No head room. My head RESTED on the B-pillar above the window. Very dangerous situation if one was T-Boned, it would kill ya instantly (I'm 6'1", and even with the seat reclined, it STILL rested against the frame)
~Handling. After driving a friends BMW, it just wasn't the same...
~Gas Milege. I needed something with 25 mpg or better due to my commute (85 miles R/T each day)

However, we soon moving again, so I'll be traveling 30 miles R/T so gas milege isn't important anymore. Again, I'm wishing they improve the back seat distance so at LEAST you can squeeze a young kid back there. With an independant rear suspension that promises to be on the SVT Cobra in 2005, it could be close to the suspension on modern cars, instead of the log-style axle.

Capt. Pork · « **Reply #22 on:** February 10, 2004, 09:35:41 AM »

BMW is due to bring back the m6 sometime this year.

5.5 liter, v-10 with about 530 Horsepower, normally aspirated.

I shutter to think what will happen once the tuners get their hands on this thing. It's going to be about 4 times as expensive as a mustang, but still cheaper than a porsche or a ferrari.

here's a photo. I hope somebody out there can read German because I can't:

2005 m6

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #23 on:** February 10, 2004, 10:16:28 AM »

I saw the new 6 at tyhe Philly Auto Show last week... I was not impressed. I think the thing looks like a depressed porpoise with wheels.

Im anxious to see what the the rumored M4 will bring to the table.

DrDea · « **Reply #24 on:** February 10, 2004, 10:36:44 AM »

Hey Mike.A co worker went to that show.He said that car looked fantastic.I agree.Its got a good look to it.

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #25 on:** February 10, 2004, 11:24:56 AM »

Howdy Doc.

I guess its a love it or hate it kind of thing. The new Z4 for example? I cant stand it. But the old M Coupe (clown shoe car) I love.

So many cars, so little money.

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #26 on:** February 10, 2004, 11:32:28 AM »

What I don't understand is why the thing has to weigh almost 3500 lbs, for what is basically a two seater.

AKcurly · « **Reply #27 on:** February 10, 2004, 11:46:26 AM »

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Originally posted by Dowding
BMW engineering or Ford engineering... now there's a choice.

Actually, there's an interesting story there. As Japan began moving to high industrial capacity, they had trouble with quality control. So, they hired an American statistician by the name of Demming -- sorry, don't recall his first name.

Anyway, they used his methods to insure greater quality control. Today, the highest industrial award given in Japan is called the "Demming Award."

In the 70s, Ford (in particular, but all American auto companies really) had major quality control problems, so they employed Demming to give them a hand. He instituted the same controls that had worked in Japan. Instant success --- Ford had a long string of successes with using his methods.

In a nutshell, the Demming philosophy is this: it's less expensive to use the highest quality material available.

I would expect BMWs to have superior (compared to Ford) engineering solutions for automotive problems. But, I would expect Ford to produce a higher quality product.

curly

edit: W. Edwards Deming. Deming was a "revered master" in Japan.

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #28 on:** February 10, 2004, 11:46:57 AM »

Thats easy Funked, it doesn use t3h c4rb0n f1b3r!!!!!seventeen

Ripsnort · « **Reply #29 on:** February 10, 2004, 12:09:59 PM »

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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Thats easy Funked, it doesn use t3h c4rb0n f1b3r!!!!!seventeen

LOL!