Author Topic: Civil War (Read 1613 times)

Yeager · « **Reply #15 on:** February 16, 2004, 08:28:11 PM »

There is clearly a dispoportionate number of morons from Texas.

The national average is 76 morons per 1000 population.
In Texas the number is a shocking 479 morons per 1000 population. Must be those wide open spaces the Chixie Dicks sing about.

Lizking · « **Reply #16 on:** February 16, 2004, 11:07:42 PM »

The problem, Yeager, is that Cali sent us all of their Morons when they went tits up. Before the Cali invasion, the Texas level hovered around 5 morons per thousand.

BEVO · « **Reply #17 on:** February 16, 2004, 11:18:05 PM »

He's from some place called Dry Lake, and he calls us morons....... HA!

Raubvogel · « **Reply #18 on:** February 16, 2004, 11:21:36 PM »

A country having the opportunity to shape their own destiny is a terrible thing! This watermelon has gotta stop! Think of the children for jebus' sake!

maslo · « **Reply #19 on:** February 17, 2004, 05:23:13 AM »

do america say " we failed and its not our mistake ? "

after year of occupation it should turn to civil war ?

if so, i would like to see someone hang on the rope in US

anyway friend of mine, whitch left to Iraq 14 days ago called me same.
situation is very bad there and presence of US make it worster day by day..

and if someone gonna tell me that its not true, tell me first, why US apply UN to be involved in transforming power ?

Heater · « **Reply #20 on:** February 17, 2004, 08:21:40 AM »

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Originally posted by maslo

and if someone gonna tell me that its not true, tell me first, why US apply UN to be involved in transforming power ?

Not defending Bush here, But The US did not want the UN involved, but the Europeans insisted and that is why they went to the UN.

john9001 · « **Reply #21 on:** February 17, 2004, 12:31:49 PM »

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Originally posted by maslo

and if someone gonna tell me that its not true, tell me first, why US apply UN to be involved in transforming power ?
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because if the UN does not oversee the election , you europeans will call the new govt a" US puppet govt' and say the US rigged the election.

maslo · « **Reply #22 on:** February 17, 2004, 01:36:36 PM »

ahh so it is not supposed to be related to current situation
Ok thanks for respond

so fact that current situation is getting worster is not officialy reason, why should get UN involved.

What is official attitude to progress in Iraq ?

Toad · « **Reply #23 on:** February 17, 2004, 01:54:34 PM »

Orel, when were the first electons held in post-war West Germany? The Bonn Republic elections?

When was the treaty signed that officially terminated the United States military occupation of Japan and restored full independence?

Relax a while; great things take a long time and sometimes a lot of blood.

Our own Civil War lasted from April 12, 1861 until April 9, 1865. There were "hostilities" in some areas after that too. Just a bit under a million combined casulalties (dead+wounded+"other"). However, in review, that Civil War defined this country and what it would become.

maslo · « **Reply #24 on:** February 17, 2004, 02:42:24 PM »

well Toad, that cool that your civil war took 4 years.

But i dont thing, that there is anything great on iraqi situation

I would note classify transformation by blood.
We send commie back home at 1989 w/o bloody part.
We spit into 2 countries at 91 w/o any single shot fired.
Of course we had no any foreigner army here

Blood doesnt impress me.

Well, but back to reality. I got phone call from my friend, Iraqi in Iraq, that situation there is way worster that few months ago.
He fear of civil war. No you can read in some news sutch statments. Well in my opinion something is not, as were planed in this bad joke. People should speak about possible voting and about future and they do speak about civil war instead. Well i know that election werent on US to do list, but it appear that everything is heading diferent direction.

Question is what would be scenario of "civil" war. Will they fight only each other or will they fight against occupants ?

and one more thing Toad
Iraq is country full of wel educated people, whith interesting potencial in resources. Not like Lyberia

So what do you thing about fact, that election werent on US to do list and its only one way to go, about tendence of security and latest news ?

Toad · « **Reply #25 on:** February 17, 2004, 03:35:10 PM »

Takes fire to forge steel.

How many died in the Prague Spring rebellion? About 100? Didn't one of your parties just try to get compensation for the dead from that one?

Then Jan Palach and about 28 others too, right?

Oh wait... you're right. Bloodless. Of course.

And forget completely those that bled around the world from 1945 to 1989 trying to either stop the expansion of or roll back the Communism that you Czech's single-handedly evicted in '89.

You make me laugh.

maslo · « **Reply #26 on:** February 17, 2004, 04:17:58 PM »

jan Palch and others were result of Russian occupation of 1968 (Prague Spring)

please note word occupation, whitch in our meaning doesnt mean "spreading democracy"

1989 were about 500 000 of people in the center of capital and russian didnt have enough political influence to do something about it , they had internal problems

So yes revolution in 1989, when russian were removed from power were w/o blood

btw jan Palach wasnt killed.
He commited suicide.

So im glad to made you laugh on facts, whitch you dont know

Toad · « **Reply #27 on:** February 17, 2004, 08:47:10 PM »

There's a language barrier here.

I know Palach was a suicide; along with about 28 others right after him. These are people that protested the Soviets with their own blood. In other words, patriots. And once the Soviet occupiers were out, then and only then could you Czechs really have free elections.

As for what makes me laugh, it's YOU thinking that Czechs alone were responsible for the withdrawal of the Soviet forces from a Warsaw pact country.

You may remember a long struggle called the Cold War. At the end of it, the Soviets retreated from countries they had occupied. Places like Poland, East Germany...... Czechoslovakia...... well, you get the idea. It was a long expensive struggle, costing many lives and much treasure, that ended Soviet domination in Eastern Europe.

It wasn't a crowd of Czech's in Prague in 1989 that caused the Soviets to leave.

But hey, if you want to think you did it all by yourselves, go ahead. I need a good laugh.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #28 on:** February 17, 2004, 09:20:55 PM »

Just something to ponder:

According to Iraq Body Count as of 17/2/04, a minimum of 8,245 and a maximum of 10,089 civilian deaths have been counted since Iraq was invaded.

Deaths to Iraqi Armed forces are estimated 4,895 to 6,370*

Since the war began, 547 Americans and 97 members of other coalition forces have died, for a total of 644 coalition military deaths.

According to SH’s Iraqi Government, 1.5 million deaths were as a result of 11 years of UN sanctions, 600,000 of those children under the age of 5.

This is an average of 136,000 deaths a year due to UN sanctions.

According to these numbers, the deaths due to foreign influences in Iraq since the invasion has dropped from a pre invasion average of 136,000 to 17,103.

In the nearly one year since the invasion the death count has dropped by a factor of 8; a difference of 119,000 lives.

*not IBC, estimate of Iraq military deaths from CBC news

maslo · « **Reply #29 on:** February 18, 2004, 04:30:17 AM »

Well Toad
1989 was possible because USSR were in total sh|+.
USSR army moved from our country in early 1990, few months after revolution. We were lucky, that they had no big army here in that time and political leaders 'allowed' it to happen.

anyway burning people arent so impressive here.
even now 15 years after commeis 5 people burned themself in last year as demonstration against something. 1 or 2 of them burned them self to demonstrate, that they do not agree with iraqi war.

Sutch people doesnt mean that much here.

Holden ... according to these numbers, you are lobotomized donkey. You should take your 5 plums and move to iraq, to explain them how good is current situation.

It will be almost 1 year after war and you claim that now die every month less people that in time of SH.

Man those people have no water, electricity, fuel nothing .. naga
and someone with very bad reputation there block reconstruction for almost year, because he want to make money

anyway toad whait mekas yuo fiil thet hare ist lunguage berriare ?