Author Topic: P-38 drivers left out in the cold...again.  (Read 1250 times)

Offline Captain Virgil Hilts

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6128
they did Spits early
« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2004, 01:18:41 PM »
Because they're simple and homely, much like the vast majority of the clowns they have for pile-its. Looking at those things it's no wonder the Brits coined the term "prang".
"I haven't seen Berlin yet, from the ground or the air, and I plan on doing both, BEFORE the war is over."

SaVaGe


Offline Ack-Ack

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 25260
      • FlameWarriors
Re: really good planes take longer to model
« Reply #16 on: February 22, 2004, 05:56:59 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
"Scat IV",



Wasn't Scat IV a P-51D?  I thought Scat II was the last P-38 he flew.

In either case, it would be really nice to see either a Scat II skin for the P-38 or Scat IV for the P-51D.  Would be a nice tribute to one Riddle's Raiders.


ack-ack
"If Jesus came back as an airplane, he would be a P-38." - WW2 P-38 pilot
Elite Top Aces +1 Mexican Official Squadron Song

Offline Sundowner

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1005
P-38 drivers left out in the cold...again.
« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2004, 12:40:21 AM »
I'm hoping the wait is because they're taking out the auto-flaps


ack-ack
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

If flaps didnt auto retract they would rip off.
Why would you want your flaps to rip off instead of auto retracting?
Freedom implies risk. Less freedom implies more risk.

Offline Captain Virgil Hilts

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6128
P-38 drivers left out in the cold...again.
« Reply #18 on: February 23, 2004, 01:26:10 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by Sundowner
I'm hoping the wait is because they're taking out the auto-flaps


ack-ack
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

If flaps didnt auto retract they would rip off.
Why would you want your flaps to rip off instead of auto retracting?



Because a P-38 is equipped with Fowler flaps that work at higher speeds, and they don't rip off. Auto retract was not an available function on the P-38, and it is an annoyance to a good P-38 pilot. Learn to fly the plane and you won't need the "game" to do things you should do yourself, and would be better off if you did. The flaps autoretract long before you'd actually retract them, and they'll put you into a stall/spin, costing you a fight you should have won.
"I haven't seen Berlin yet, from the ground or the air, and I plan on doing both, BEFORE the war is over."

SaVaGe


Offline Sundowner

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1005
P-38 drivers left out in the cold...again.
« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2004, 05:23:25 AM »
Quote:

===============================================
hitech
Administrator

Registered: Jul 1999
Location: Grapevine TX
Posts: 2046
 No GUNERZER it is not true. 2 Questions are being mixed with 1 answere.

On the auto retract flaps question, it seems to me that everone who wants to get rid of auto retract flaps wan'ts flaps at faster speeds. If we were to get rid of the auto retract flaps the only difference would be ,instead of retracting the flap it would be damaged and unsible at the same speed they auto retract now.

The other questions is on a specific planes flap speed, they are set on a per plane basis with the data we have availble.


HiTech

===============================================
Freedom implies risk. Less freedom implies more risk.

Offline Captain Virgil Hilts

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6128
P-38 drivers left out in the cold...again.
« Reply #20 on: February 23, 2004, 07:24:25 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by Sundowner
Quote:

===============================================
hitech
Administrator

Registered: Jul 1999
Location: Grapevine TX
Posts: 2046
 No GUNERZER it is not true. 2 Questions are being mixed with 1 answere.

On the auto retract flaps question, it seems to me that everone who wants to get rid of auto retract flaps wan'ts flaps at faster speeds. If we were to get rid of the auto retract flaps the only difference would be ,instead of retracting the flap it would be damaged and unsible at the same speed they auto retract now.

The other questions is on a specific planes flap speed, they are set on a per plane basis with the data we have availble.


HiTech

===============================================


That does not make it correct, nor does that make it the right thing to do. Flaps are supposed to be PILOT CONTROLLED. When flying a plane that has a specific advantage due to the proper operation of a specific component, the pilot should retain full control of that component. I like Dale, I respect Dale, and I appreciate what he's done. However, in this case he is just plain wrong. I know real pilots who flew the plane in combat, and I know how the flaps should work, and why they should work that way. It is very simple, the P-38 should not have autoretract flaps, because the real plane did not.

I'd like to see the modeling of each plane as close to 100% fidelity to the real plane as possible. The more closely it follows the real plane the better. Autoretract is something that belongs in the "easy" or "beginner" mode. If the pilot had control of the function, I want control of it. If the plane exhibited mach tuck at a certain speed and you had to know how to fly it out of mach tuck, that's what I want. I don't fly AH because it is the "easy mode", I fly it because I want the maximum simulation fidelity. I don't want the computer doing it for me. I'd much rather risk wrecking my flaps and maintain control than have them autoretract and cause me to lose control. I can survive wrecked flaps a lot easier than I can stalling and spinning in front of an enemy plane.

The "easy mode" doesn't belong here, this ain't "playstation", "x box", or "atari". This is Aces High, a combat flight simulation.
"I haven't seen Berlin yet, from the ground or the air, and I plan on doing both, BEFORE the war is over."

SaVaGe


Offline BUG_EAF322

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3153
      • http://bug322.startje.com
P-38 drivers left out in the cold...again.
« Reply #21 on: February 23, 2004, 07:47:12 AM »
PUNT !!!!!

Offline BenDover

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 5803
P-38 drivers left out in the cold...again.
« Reply #22 on: February 23, 2004, 10:13:26 AM »
What about the c202 aswell?

Offline Sikboy

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6702
P-38 drivers left out in the cold...again.
« Reply #23 on: February 23, 2004, 10:28:35 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by BenDover
What about the c202 aswell?


And therin lies the problem. Many planes have an avid fanbase, but they can't all be included at once.

-Sik, waiting patiently for the Yaks lol.
You: Blah Blah Blah
Me: Meh, whatever.

Offline mos

  • Copper Member
  • **
  • Posts: 219
P-38 drivers left out in the cold...again.
« Reply #24 on: February 23, 2004, 11:22:45 AM »
Here's to hoping Sundowner notices the 'quote' button soon.  ;)

Offline Sundowner

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1005
P-38 drivers left out in the cold...again.
« Reply #25 on: February 23, 2004, 05:13:09 PM »
==============================================
quote:

Here's to hoping Sundowner notices the 'quote' button soon.

==============================================

:P
Freedom implies risk. Less freedom implies more risk.

Offline mos

  • Copper Member
  • **
  • Posts: 219
P-38 drivers left out in the cold...again.
« Reply #26 on: February 23, 2004, 05:20:56 PM »
Shazbot!

Offline acepilot2

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 886
P-38 drivers left out in the cold...again.
« Reply #27 on: February 23, 2004, 05:28:45 PM »
Quote
Shazbot!


*off topic mode on*

tribes2 is a good game.

*off topic mode off*

Offline Dessy

  • Zinc Member
  • *
  • Posts: 25
P-38 drivers left out in the cold...again.
« Reply #28 on: February 23, 2004, 06:05:51 PM »
Quote
tribes2 is a good game


No, Tribes is a good game. Tribes 2 is merely mediocre.

Offline mos

  • Copper Member
  • **
  • Posts: 219
P-38 drivers left out in the cold...again.
« Reply #29 on: February 23, 2004, 08:05:30 PM »
If you guys want to open up that can o' worms, please take it to tribalwar.

Sooo... about those auto-retracting flaps!  HiTech says they would break off around 250, is that true?  I say we build a P-38 from scratch to test it!