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[Sixpence]

Originally posted by rpm371
We ARE spending money from Social Security to pay back the deficit. Do you live in a cave somewhere? Get informed Martlet.

Nope. When Reagan quadrupled your SS payments and stole the money to fill the gaping holes in his budget(so he could say he didn't raise taxes:lol ) congress changed the laws that govern SS so it could never happen again. So I believe that is not the case today.

[Thud]

Originally posted by Kieran
You quote me in the Constitution where it says marriage is a right and you win the argument. Go right ahead, I have all the time in the world.

From a legal standpoint (and that is the view you are arguing) it's a privilege, like driving. There are laws that govern it. You do not have the "right" to marry whom you choose under any legal system. Sorry.

Bigot- the most overused word in the liberal dictionary.

- Does a right have to be in the constitution per sé? -> No, one can have the right to receive medicare etc, not a constitutional right but nevertheless one put down in legislation right?
As far as my knowledge goes the law right now entitles everone to marry unless they are related to a certain degree?

Bigot: "A person who regards his own faith and views in matters of religion as unquestionably right, and any belief or opinion opposed to or differing from them as unreasonable or wicked. In an extended sense, a person who is intolerant of opinions which conflict with his own, as in politics or morals; one obstinately and blindly devoted to his own church, party, belief, or opinion."
Well if you still believe that that does not qualify you as a bigot, soit.


On the subject itself: Let's assume for a minute that an amendment was proposed banning christians from marrying, they would be allowed to shack up though. How would you react, think about that and you'll finally understand...

And on the issue of gay marriage intervening in your life, it doesn't. Not as long as you don't propose to a man at least. Them pushing for a law against christians or straight people marrying (I assume you're hetero) would interfere with your life, anything short of that does not.

[Kieran]

To quote Easymo, "Your nazi may vary". I can change that to "Your bigot may vary".

To you I am a bigot, to me you are a bigot. Who cares? It's just another way of saying you disagree with someone's viewpoint. You are using it to club me into submission, which I assure you will not work.

Marriage is not a right under our Constitution. Neither is health care. Laws can be made that will extend the privilege to citizens. Marriage and medicare are such institutions legally.

Now if you want to discuss the religious aspect of marriage, you lose hands down. Marriage is specified religiously as a union between a man and a woman. I'm sure you don't really want to talk about that part though.

[Kieran]

On the subject itself: Let's assume for a minute that an amendment was proposed banning christians from marrying, they would be allowed to shack up though. How would you react, think about that and you'll finally understand...

And on the issue of gay marriage intervening in your life, it doesn't. Not as long as you don't propose to a man at least. Them pushing for a law against christians or straight people marrying (I assume you're hetero) would interfere with your life, anything short of that does not.

You are about the 100th person to suggest this to me. For the 100th time, I would not like it, and I would attempt to redress the situation. Just as the gays are attempting to do so in their situation, and I do not hold that against them.

You do not share my belief system, so don't condescend to tell me what interferes with my life and what doesn't. I could give you a list of things that affect me, but you'd dismiss them as irrelevant, and they would be, to you. It does not change the impact they have on me and many, many people that share my belief system. Bear in mind, 38 of 50 states have laws against gay marriage right now, and more are preparing legislation. I am not alone on this.

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Kieran
You are about the 100th person to suggest this to me. For the 100th time, I would not like it, and I would attempt to redress the situation. Just as the gays are attempting to do so in their situation, and I do not hold that against them.

You do not share my belief system, so don't condescend to tell me what interferes with my life and what doesn't. I could give you a list of things that affect me, but you'd dismiss them as irrelevant, and they would be, to you. It does not change the impact they have on me and many, many people that share my belief system. Bear in mind, 38 of 50 states have laws against gay marriage right now, and more are preparing legislation. I am not alone on this.

In furtherance of this, if it takes place in my community, if it affects my children, then it affects me.

[Kieran]

Originally posted by Martlet
In furtherance of this, if it takes place in my community, if it affects my children, then it affects me.

Exactly.

[straffo]

How it will affect your children ?
Please devellop a bit as I don't see how your children will be concerned.

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

Yeah, I'm curious as to how a gay family effects your children? I grew up in a time where gays were actually open, and one of my friends in grade school (K-8) had gay parents who had gay friends over all the time.

They didn't effect me at all, or attempt to recruit me to play for the same team.

It almost seems like you would be that white person who would touch a black person and then look at their fingers to see if it rubbed off.
-SW

[Dowding]

Gayness is an infection! George Michael caught gayness from a toilet seat!

[Martlet]

First, anything that happens in the community affects the children.  If there is a liquor store in the common, it affects the children.  If there is a church downtown, it affects the children.  A community is a melting pot of all the local influences.

Second, let's assume for the sake of this discussion that I am against same sex marriage.  The reason why doesn't matter.  My children go to school.  If they go to school  with the children of a SSM couple, they are affected.  

Regardless of whether or not you agree with SSM or homosexuality, it is a deviant behavior.  As Americans, we accept many deviant behaviors.  What happens in the bedroom, stays in the bedroom.  When you legalize SSM, it's no longer staying in the bedroom.  It's now in the community.

[straffo]

Originally posted by Dowding
Gayness is an infection! George Michael caught gayness from a toilet seat!

hahem... in this particuliar case I think it's the reverse (not that it give sense to this sentence )

[Kieran]

Originally posted by straffo
How it will affect your children ?
Please devellop a bit as I don't see how your children will be concerned.

My children will be indoctrinated into a society that tells them it is normal behavior, which is strictly against our belief system. Schools will also be forced to teach "gay education"- there are samples of schools already discussing this. Good enough?

[Dowding]

Christians complaining about indoctrination is a new one. If you want to see some proper indoctrination, take a vacation in Northern Ireland some time. They like to spit at kids over there.

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Dowding
Christians complaining about indoctrination is a new one. If you want to see some proper indoctrination, take a vacation in Northern Ireland some time. They like to spit at kids over there.

What's that got to do with SSM in the US?

[Naso]

Originally posted by an American to a fellow American
To you I am a bigot, to me you are a bigot.

That results in a Syllogism:

The Americans are a bunch of bigots, with opposing opinions, but bigots, nontheless.



I like the flawed logic

Joke made, go on with your battle