Originally posted by GScholz
No the German pilots were just human ... like everybody else. But one must admit that the LW by far had the most experienced individual pilots. As a whole, the Allied air forces had more experienced pilots by the end of the war, but those few "Experten" still alive in the LW were unmatched ... and still are unmatched when it comes to combat experience which directly relates to skill. Given time and opportunity, I see no reason why the Allied airmen should not achieve similar results. However they did not have the same time or opportunity as their LW counterparts, and I would surmise that the LW "Experten" were by a significant magnitude more skilled in their aircraft than the best of their opponents.
However I fail to see how this has anything to do with the LW victory claims being correct or false.
Basically I think it comes down to the perception that any document/statistic that is credited to German sources must be accurate and irrefutable, while anything else non-German is suspect whenever these threads come up.
As for Pilot expertise, I think you are not taking into account the stress of combat and the impact it had on pilots, soldiers etc. One of the reasons the Allies had tour limits was because of this. The RAF called it "The Twitch". It referred to a point in a tour where the affects of constant operations began to show up in a deterioration of skills, pilots beyond caring that tooks risks that they would not have taken when they were at the top of their skills. Fatigue and stress deadened the senses and reaction time so that they were not as effective. And at a certain point there are only so many things you can do with an aircraft regardless of the hours in it.
How many of the 'experten' lost their lives because of this? Look at the photos of Hartmann from beginning to end. He looks like hell by the time he's done. Photos of Nowatny(sp) show the same. Go back to WWI and look at the before and afters of Oswald Boelcke. Same thing.
As for expertise, as I was typing this, the name of John Landers popped into my head. He'd flown P40s in the Pacific from 41, then ended up in England in 38s and finally 51s. He'd probably flown more varieties of missions then most of the 'experten' who were flying defensive sorties. Landers didn't have that many kills, but his experience in those different roles is probably unmatched. Does that make him a better pilot then anyone else? I doubt it. As for kills, he no doubt had far less opportunities then the 'experten' who were having the targets come to them based on the role they were in.
Hans-Ulrich Rudel logged 2530 combat missions. Was he a better pilot then Hartmann with his 352 kills? He only shot down 9 planes, does that mean Gabreski was a better pilot then Rudel since he got 28? Hmmmmm, gets a bit tough to call then doesn't it.
So if you want to state that for example Hartmann had more kills then Johnnie Johnson, there is no arguement. If you want to tell me that he was a better pilot, I don't know that, nor do you.
Dan/Slack