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Nath-BDP

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« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2000, 05:40:00 PM »
Nah you're the one whos wrong Karnak, I'm sick of hearing fokerfooders bs about comparing nazis with lw.

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« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2000, 05:42:00 PM »
haha, the BoB was a war of attrition, before the bob even started the Germans knew that it would be a war of attrition with Britain, and it was a war the British couldn't win had the Germans not fcked up.

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« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2000, 06:13:00 PM »
What is the matter? Haven't read your history books? Haven't talked to WW2 vets?

If you look like a duck and walk like a duck and talk like a duck and think like a duck and smell like a duck, well you are probably a duck.

If you look like a Nazi, and goose step like a Nazi, and talk like a Nazi, and thiink like a Nazi, well you are probably a Nazi.

The LuftWaffe Planes had Nazi Pilots, a Nazi swatika, and swore alegience too Hilter and the Nazi party.  If that don't make them Nazis what does?  

The LuftWaffe was the Air Arm of the Nazi warmachine, and killed thousands of American boys.  That is fact. Deal with it.

Don't tell me the LW weren't Nazis, go down to a Veterans cemetery in Europe and tell that to the dead Allied airmen. They'd love to hear how great the LuftWaffe was and that they were spit.

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« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2000, 06:46:00 PM »
Even when the U.S. escorted bombers, they (the fighter escorts) were usually out numbered by the luftwaffe.  

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« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2000, 07:09:00 PM »
The main thing I see here in this thread is people reacting to a typical teenager's fantasy mentality.

Nath will grow up some day, and learn that life is not all about fantasy. He will learn to respect the memory of those who died so he can sit on this board like a blathering idiot and spout off nonsense after nonsense.

The German aircraft were supperb examples of excellent engineering built by mostly enslaved people who were so enslaved because their beleifs were different than a maniac dictator.

I beleive there were a lot of German pilots who were far from being Nazis, but it doesn't change the fact that they were the enemy in a global conflict.

War is a horrible event. The inhumanity wrought by all parties involved in it is something we all tend to forget or are too young to be aware of.

I reccomend that when youngsters like Nath make the brash statements  they do and show their lack of maturity and knowledge of life that we who have been around a while sit back and see it for what it is worth...nothing.


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« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2000, 07:11:00 PM »
OK, well that settles that. I'll be ignoring fokerfoder from now on.

Grow up Son.



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« Reply #21 on: August 25, 2000, 07:43:00 PM »
Try reading the entire thread please... if you're so intelligent. buttererFodder's bs comments about calling LW Nazis is pissing me off as me saying that 1300 b17s were lost is pissing you off.

If you read history you'll most likely find that most LW pilots didn't like the state their country was in and disliked their leadership (Hartmann, Galland, Hermann, I could go on...) But weren't going to sit back and let people bomb their famlies and cities.

I got an idea, lets call all VVS pilots commies from now on too, ok, buttererFadder? Since the USSR killed more innocent people than Nazi Germany.


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« Reply #22 on: August 25, 2000, 07:52:00 PM »
Probably alot like you in some ways once. A smart kid with a slightly different focus, and turned out a pretty cool guy.


Sorry nath, I was answering your question "Who is Mark Luper", before you edited.

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« Reply #23 on: August 25, 2000, 07:58:00 PM »
Didn't see the MarkAT at the end of the post, figured he was another person that doesn't play AH but is a BBS jockey.


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« Reply #24 on: August 25, 2000, 08:49:00 PM »
Antartica's only fighter pilot <----

I fight only for the penguins, well ever since they over threw the polar bears and walrus political parties.

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« Reply #25 on: August 25, 2000, 10:15:00 PM »
OK, well that settles that. I'll be ignoring fokerfoder from now on.

Grow up Son.

Son? Hell I was a combat veteran by the time I was 20, and that was 31 years ago. I am a Disabled American Veteran (10%, combat realted) so dry the starting tear, probably laughter from dudes like you.

Hell I'll be ignoring this whole BS BBS.

Have a good'un and sleep safe because a whole bunch of american kids died before they could  come back and see this kind of BS.  Maybe they were the lucky ones.  

I'm out of here...

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« Reply #26 on: August 26, 2000, 02:33:00 AM »
Jig:

The North will defeat the evil cotton, err feather growing South and fre the enslaved penguins!

Long live Generalissimo StSanta! Death to the Southern tyrants!

<sidenote: American losses during WWII were comparatively light. Poland lost more than twice the amount of soldier the US did. The UK lost about 100 000 more. The USSR millions more.

In a good month of firebombing, the USAF would kill more German civilians than they'd lose men in total in the war. In a good day, they'd kill more civilians than they lost aircrew over the entire war.

Am I to consider the USAF evil? Hell no. Do I understand why German fighter pilots kept coming up to defend their cities, and slow the allied air attacks? Aye.

An ugly war made even uglier by the Good Side adopting the same brutal tactics as the Bad Side, but on a larger scale and with the knowledge that it won't do what the planners want it to.

Heh, hell, Denmark almost lost more civilians to aerial bombardment than the US.

I think evidence suggests that there were German fighter pilots flying German airplanes who were military men first and considered Hitler a maniac. Other evidence say that them being shot out of the sky was a good thing, as it accelerated the allied conquest of Germany.

No disrespect for my American friends, but the firebombings of civilian cities are sort of rooted in two generations of Europeans. I have German relatives, and they've relayed either personal stories or stories told by their parents about it. Their leader was totally psychopathic, but I'm not sure that justifies what I've heard.

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« Reply #27 on: August 26, 2000, 03:09:00 AM »
I don't even know why threads spin into this bashing kind of nonsense.  I find it shows a lack of maturity, unless when it is sometimes used in a humorous tone that draws another smart remark back.  Some people just won't take the time to study history, and it is just really sad.  There are a lot of lessons to be learned from the past.

I'm no Nazi supporter, but the Luftwaffe was a damned fine airforce, and most of the men that flew these planes did it for their country and for the future of their families, not for their leader.

If anyone takes the time to study history, problems in Europe can be traced right back to WW1.  Germany was very discontent with the treaty it was forced to sign after the Kaiser abdicated his throne and Germany surrendered unconditionally.  War reparations (forced upon Germany as war guilt by the Allies, except USA which signed a separate treaty with Germany), land siezures and other acts almost steered Germany down the path it took during the 1930's.  When thinking about why people would do the things they do it is VERY IMPORTANT to understand the average German citizen's frame of mind during post WW1.  With an economy almost strangled by the allied blockade of Germany (which still continued for some time after Germany surrendered), and later a world wide depression, it is almost impossible to imagine how Germans viewed the outside world simply through the treatment it was getting.  The Allies tried to pin WW1 on the Germans, saying they started it, they lost, they'll pay, when in truth it was started by the assisnation of the Austrian Archduke Ferdinand of Serbia.    

No one really sees the war through Germany's eyes in WW2 because it is widely taught that Germany (the whole friggin country) during this time was EVIL, even though it was really only one man and how he implicated his policies.  Germany was rebuilt on the sweat and toil of the common German citizen, who worked in the factory, worked in the mine, served in its armed forces, and there is no EVIL in that.  They were doing just what we were doing in the United States, working, working and working...........Germany was a very nationalistic country, and the Germans loved their country just as much as we love ours, and were prepared to defend it at any cost.

So to all of you who shoot their mouth off at a whim, thinking they know all that cause they got the final jeapordy question right last night, do some research, think out your post, and then type it and I think you will get a lot more pleasent results.  

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« Reply #28 on: August 26, 2000, 07:46:00 AM »
 
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If you look like a duck and walk like a duck and talk like a duck and think like a duck and smell like a duck, well you are probably a duck.

If you look like a Nazi, and goose step like a Nazi, and talk like a Nazi, and thiink like a Nazi, well you are probably a Nazi.

The LuftWaffe Planes had Nazi Pilots, a Nazi swatika, and swore alegience too Hilter and the Nazi party.  If that don't make them Nazis what does?  

If you look like an ignorant, sound like an ignorant, yell like an ignorant, think like an ignorant, talk as an ignorant, than YOU ARE AN IGNORANT.

I dont mind you are a veteran or not. THat doesnt make you a saint, sir. That only makes you a patriot in your country, but doesnt allow you to call germans nazis on the more than dubious ground that they had to defend their fatherland for aerial bombing.

Hell yes I'm sure you'd have run away and not fought to defend your home city, your mother, your sisters and your girlfriend from the massive cruel bombing your city was suffering...no you'd say "we deserve this, my mom deserves to die and so my sisters,because a monster that I never chose to guide my country is there nonetheless".

AKFF, you are FULL of toejam. Up to the head.

You know what is a nazi?...a nazi is he who respects only his opinion regardless of any other thing. A nazi is he who feels "better" than the rest of the humankind, only for being of a race or a (COUGH) country. A nazi is he who classifies the people in general (so if England has a laborist government then ALL BRITISH ARE LABORISTS? LOL)...

An a nazi is he who would use the violence to state his opinions. There is hidden violence in yours, you are proud that a lot of young german people died in WWII, quoting your words,"in front of their girfriends".

AKFF...WHO is a nazi?...look at the mirror and you'll see a person who acts like one. So think before you really start to be one.



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« Reply #29 on: August 26, 2000, 03:00:00 PM »
 
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Jig:

The North will defeat the evil cotton, err feather growing South and fre the enslaved penguins!

Long live Generalissimo StSanta! Death to the Southern tyrants!

<sidenote: American losses during WWII were comparatively light. Poland lost more than twice the amount of soldier the US did. The UK lost about 100 000 more. The USSR millions more.

In a good month of firebombing, the USAF would kill more German civilians than they'd lose men in total in the war. In a good day, they'd kill more civilians than they lost aircrew over the entire war.

Am I to consider the USAF evil? Hell no. Do I understand why German fighter pilots kept coming up to defend their cities, and slow the allied air attacks? Aye.

An ugly war made even uglier by the Good Side adopting the same brutal tactics as the Bad Side, but on a larger scale and with the knowledge that it won't do what the planners want it to.

Heh, hell, Denmark almost lost more civilians to aerial bombardment than the US.

I think evidence suggests that there were German fighter pilots flying German airplanes who were military men first and considered Hitler a maniac. Other evidence say that them being shot out of the sky was a good thing, as it accelerated the allied conquest of Germany.

No disrespect for my American friends, but the firebombings of civilian cities are sort of rooted in two generations of Europeans. I have German relatives, and they've relayed either personal stories or stories told by their parents about it. Their leader was totally psychopathic, but I'm not sure that justifies what I've heard.


I have only one problem. I have to fly around my home country or my plane will melt.

Only airforce I know with "re-icers"  

Bah I am an American capitalist scum sucking pig dog with more guns then I can count on two hands (and toes)

Bill Clinton is my hero. I wish I could women like he can. Gore, along with Jeff Gordon are powered by a mix of pepsi cans and energizer batteries. Bush and I are both from Texas so we are probably related somewhere in our trees. I've never seen snow and been around some ice, perhaps once. 100% humdidity sucks. My neighbor looped a B-17. And then augered into a hill. And then rammed a Fw 190 the next day. Or it might of been a sea gull. He forgets.

oh yeah...

I are dweeb.

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