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Offline CurtissP-6EHawk

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P-38L vs N1K2-J for one day (STATS)
« on: February 28, 2004, 10:54:28 AM »
Friday's Stats


P-38L has 207 Kills of N1K2
N1K2 has 334 Kills of P-38L

P-38L has 72 Kills of Ki-61
Ki-61 has 87 Kills of P-38L

Allied 279 Kills
Axis 421 Kills

**edited** This is not a ballanced!

Is that better?

Not a whine, just an observation
« Last Edit: March 01, 2004, 12:49:18 AM by CurtissP-6EHawk »

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« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2004, 11:30:49 AM »
Told you to add the Blue Planes -  but would anyone listen to me? NOOOOO!  :D
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« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2004, 11:42:56 AM »
Statistics alone are deceiving. All last night the Allies had a numbers advantage somewhere in the 20 vs 30 range yet they were consistantly outnumbered in the AIR, that is not a problem with the plane set. Stop sending half your numbers (not meaning you personally, the figurative "you") up north to grab irrelevant bases while leaving your southern comrads outnumbered and that will change.

I do not disagree that the setup may be unbalanced, but it is not as bad as Hungary was, much better in fact, because the Allies there had both the fastest and best turning plane, but I didnt hear any Allied  complaints then. This set the Axis has the best turning plane, while the Allies have a clearly faster plane. Flown properly (I am not infering you do not know how to properly fly it Hawk, I know you do) the P-38 should totally dictate when and where to engage or disengage. The P-38 has a 30 MPH advantage on the Ki61 and a 20 MPH advantage on the Niki, and that is at sea level, the difference gets wider as alt climbs. Stay fast and you should have no problem, get slow and you will die.
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« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2004, 11:52:37 AM »
Grits I know what you are saying and you have a valid point. What you need to understand is that most who fly in the CT like to "furball". In the names of "ballance" and "furball", as so preached by Brady, the arena is unballanced.

Sure, if all allies flew the P-38 as it should be flown and in a tactful format with groups or squadrons, the P-38 woul rule althought maybe not be shooting down many planes but by staying alive. Thus the axis guys would get tired of "chasing" hence then they would be yelling.....UNFAIR! ALL ALLIED DO IS RUN!

All last nigtht I had to pick and choose my fights. I never "stole" a kill (cherry picking) from anyone. I had to make sure engaging was not going to get me low from other incomming cons...typical "hamsterwheel-stream".  I only had 8 kills and one death. The death was from shane's awsome HO. Yes I hoed but was planing a last sec brake like I always do. He poped me at D900 befor I could pick a bugger :)

OH YEAH, the stats show how the CT is played, and because of how it is played, it is indeed UNBALANCED!
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« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2004, 12:09:05 PM »
Agreed, as you well know I'm a furball type myself. I've already said several times the FM2 would be the historically accurate USN choice, and maybe the F6F, the F4U was not widely deployed to CV's yet at this point in the war. What would you add to the set?

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« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2004, 12:54:59 PM »
That best why to prove something is wrong is to keep quiet till the end result shows. Kind like the way our government works.

I stand fast on the stats. The reason for the results may be due to something not being used correctly but the result is the result no matter what, were, when or why! If the P-38 is being used wrong then its up to the staff to insure ballance based on the players stupidity resulting from what the axis replys would be if the P-38 was used correctly.

What the hell did I just say? I need a beer!

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« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2004, 12:56:48 PM »
Heh, again, I agree. What should be added?

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« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2004, 01:51:30 PM »
Add the P-51B, but I already said that a few times

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« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2004, 03:02:21 PM »
Other than top speed (which the Allies already have) isnt the P-38 better than the 51B?

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« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2004, 03:21:21 PM »
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Told you to add the Blue Planes -  but would anyone listen to me? NOOOOO!  :D
I gotta agree with you, I feel like Im quitting CT cuz of not good history.  Sorry no offense.
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Re: P-38L vs N1K2-J for one day (STATS)
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2004, 03:53:26 PM »
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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
Friday's Stats


P-38L has 207 Kills of N1K2
N1K2 has 334 Kills of P-38L

P-38L has 72 Kills of Ki-61
Ki-61 has 87 Kills of P-38L

Allied 279 Kills
Axis 421 Kills

THIS IS NOT BALANCED!




It has nothing to do with balance but more of a pilot thing.  Get the P-38 side with guys that know how to fly the Lightning and you'll see those numbers dramatically change in the P-38s favor.

Despite what people think, the P-38 is far superior to the N1K2 and the Ki-61.  In the hands of a capable P-38 pilot, those planes are no match.


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« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2004, 04:32:04 PM »
Nothing could be more unbalancing than throwing a point and shoot plane up against one requiring proper skills and tactics in a "furball" arena.
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« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2004, 05:55:16 PM »
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Despite what people think, the P-38 is far superior to the N1K2 and the Ki-61.  In the hands of a capable P-38 pilot, those planes are no match.


That is my feeling on those planes also, and I dont "specialize" in any plane in particular, I fly them all with pretty much the same level of mediocrity. :)

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« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2004, 06:21:19 PM »
what ack ack said  - sort of

you get good p38 pilots winging together and the japs will get their arses handed to them

of course it'd be 99.9% b&z so it would be about as exciting as watching paint dry but the P38 jocks would own the arena

about 2am EST this morning the room was full of p38 experts - glad it was past my bedtime :)
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« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2004, 06:51:00 PM »
Other than top speed (which the Allies already have) isnt the P-38 better than the 51B?

Much better, but it will give some guys an option when they get frustrated getting slaughtered low and slow in the '38. Personally I love the P-38, AKAK, you gonna spend some time with us this week?:D