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Offline john9001

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« on: February 28, 2004, 08:45:36 PM »
What would the world be like today if the United States had stayed out of WW2?

Would Japan still control half of china, both Koreas, indo-china and the Philippines? Would Japan have fought Ho Chi Min?

Would Germany still control most of Europe including France?

Would Great Britain have signed a peace treaty with Germany?

Would Germany and USSR have fought to a standstill, made peace and devided eastern Europe between them, Would the USSR still be a major power?

Would Israel exist today? Would the Arabs still hate the USA?

What would the USA be like today, a super power that is hated by the whole world or a big harmless country that everyone likes , sort of like a really big Canada?

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« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2004, 08:57:27 PM »
Why do we drive on a parkway but park on a driveway?

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« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2004, 09:10:08 PM »
this thread needs more type-R in it

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« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2004, 09:14:01 PM »
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What would the USA be like today, a super power that is hated by the whole world or a big harmless country that everyone likes , sort of like a really big Canada?


Who says everybody loves Canada? I hate those runny nosed little Socialist fish breath frostbitten scum.

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« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2004, 09:34:30 PM »
What would the world be like today if the United States had stayed out of WW2?

Does this mean not lend lease or aid at all?
Would Japan still control half of china, both Koreas, indo-china and the Philippines? Would Japan have fought Ho Chi Min?
Yes, Ho Chi min would have fought without our air, I think he did mostly anyway. He would have lost eventually. Without the US in the war the Japanese would have a lot of resources to spare. The Japanese I am sure would have just rounded up and executed the Vietnamese people until there was no one left to fight.
 Yes they would controll china and most of the pacific as well, Maybe even india.
Would Germany still control most of Europe including France?
Yes, they would eventually crush the resistance in France and I think they would have been able to at least keep the Russians at bay.

Would Great Britain have signed a peace treaty with Germany?
Eventually. Without any US aid, the Brits would have lost in the desert, I think. They would not have much of an army left to fight with and they could not invade alone.

Would Germany and USSR have fought to a standstill, made peace and divided eastern Europe between them, Would the USSR still be a major power?
No with no US aid at all I think the Russians would have folded. or if not folded, they would have been forces back past the Urals and then maybe sued for peace.

Would Israel exist today? Would the Arabs still hate the USA?
No, nor would their be many jews left.

What would the USA be like today, a super power that is hated by the whole world or a big harmless country that everyone likes , sort of like a really big Canada?
That would depend on what we did after the war. I am sure we would be hated more in Europe for not helping. The Arabs may have still hated us depending on what we did in the middle east post war. Over all I would say they wouldn’t, and would even they exist? How long before the Germans round them up for the ovens?

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« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2004, 09:43:40 PM »
If we stayed out of WW2, we would have eventually become a very right wing government. Almost facsist. Henry Ford and his ilk would have tried to make a run for political power.

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« Reply #6 on: February 29, 2004, 12:01:09 AM »
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If we stayed out of WW2, we would have eventually become a very right wing government. Almost facsist. Henry Ford and his ilk would have tried to make a run for political power.


Uh... but we HAVE a very right wing Government.... Almost Fascist... and Henry Ford and his ilk DO control polotical power.

The problem we on the Left have in educating the Masses is that we can't convince you just how miserable you really have it. We try, but as long as you're busy making your mortgage payments on your 2400 square foot ranch style with built in pool and your car payments for your Beemer and paying the tuition for the kid's private prep school you're too busy making money to work for social change... indeed, you're too busy enjoying the fruits of your labor... to be concerned with those who are less fortunate than yourselves and have no labor with which to enjoy the fruits from.

You really should be ashamed.
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« Reply #7 on: February 29, 2004, 12:25:42 AM »
Airhead

 I thought the troll had been ruined for ya?:D

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« Reply #8 on: February 29, 2004, 12:32:05 AM »
GTO not trolling, just trying for a sig or two. :)

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« Reply #9 on: February 29, 2004, 01:10:21 AM »
If we stayed completely out of WWII, we'd either be speaking German or Japanese by now.
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« Reply #10 on: February 29, 2004, 02:10:53 AM »
There would be fewer idiotic hypotheticals.

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« Reply #11 on: February 29, 2004, 02:11:53 AM »
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If we stayed completely out of WWII, we'd either be speaking German or Japanese by now.


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« Reply #12 on: February 29, 2004, 02:12:00 AM »
Ever read Robert Harris - I think the book was Fatherland where Germany does win WW2 and America stays out of the war - it takes place in the 60's 20 years after the war.

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« Reply #13 on: February 29, 2004, 02:50:02 AM »
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Uh... but we HAVE a very right wing Government.... Almost Fascist... and Henry Ford and his ilk DO control polotical power.

The problem we on the Left have in educating the Masses is that we can't convince you just how miserable you really have it. We try, but as long as you're busy making your mortgage payments on your 2400 square foot ranch style with built in pool and your car payments for your Beemer and paying the tuition for the kid's private prep school you're too busy making money to work for social change... indeed, you're too busy enjoying the fruits of your labor... to be concerned with those who are less fortunate than yourselves and have no labor with which to enjoy the fruits from.

You really should be ashamed.


Why is it that an immigrant can come to this country at the age of 40, with no English, and in the space of 20 years, with no help from the goverment, having mastered the language and redone a gruelling 7 year medical residency alongside men twelve years younger, raise himself to the enviable station where a 47% income tax is considered by some to be insufficient, while at the same time, an American-born citizen can complain, with great effect, that the hand he has outstretched for help isn't being filled with enough free dollars--many of which are coming out of the first guy's pay as he works 80 hour weeks?

That hand would better serve the second man if he used it to prop himself up and get to his own two feet--and who was more unfortunate than the man who comes here, with a family in tow, at the age of forty, without even the ability to speak the language and nothing but a small network of friends to lend him a twenty here and a fifty there?

The reason is that in this cycle is that people like you, who blindly support any and all measures to appease the whining loafers, have made it so easy to sit and beg that many choose leaching as a career rather than put in one tenth the work that some admirable Americans consider their duty to themselves and their loved ones.

There're more than enough hand-outs in the US. If you want to  improve public education to give the masses a better shot at prosperity, try diverting a few billion from welfare and pay teachers more, give them more materials with which to work.

Speak freely. It's your right. Accept charity when it is offered, but keep your whoopee hand out of my already crowded pocket.

And keep your shame. You need it to drive you. I'm proud and thankful.
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« Reply #14 on: February 29, 2004, 02:59:35 AM »
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If we stayed out of WW2, we would have eventually become a very right wing government. Almost facsist. Henry Ford and his ilk would have tried to make a run for political power.


What makes you think henry ford is a right wing militant fascist?

He had some crazy ideas about jews but he recanted them, crazy racist ideas dont make you a fascist.  Or for example how ford single handedly raised the wage rate of millions of US workers by unilaterally raising the wages in his plants - forcing other employers to match to compete for workers...

Now the other day you said you were open minded and would be willing to change your stances if i could prove you were tool - well here it is - a link...

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAWford.htm

and...

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=7689

Of course I just made it all up....

So are you a tool or not?
« Last Edit: February 29, 2004, 03:03:35 AM by GRUNHERZ »