what would the world be like if

[weaselsan]

Originally posted by weaselsan
So the British made us a super power.....If thats true how come your food still sux....Chutney....YECCCCHHHH!!!!

You tell em weaselsan

[hawker238]

[Replicant]

Originally posted by weaselsan
You tell em weaselsan

Nice misquote, you forgot to quote the technology from both Germany and Japan; the rocket scientists helped move USA from technology advanced into the super league where everyone tried to follow.  Jeez, touchy spam can't take a hypothetical reply without getting your girdle in a twist.

So, you're saying that USA didn't benefit from German technology?  Or from other secrets from the spoils of war?

[beet1e]

Originally posted by john9001
Would Germany still control most of Europe including France?

Yes. But look on the bright side. At least the whole world would be driving decent cars.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by Replicant
Nice misquote, you forgot to quote the technology from both Germany and Japan; the rocket scientists helped move USA from technology advanced into the super league where everyone tried to follow.  Jeez, touchy spam can't take a hypothetical reply without getting your girdle in a twist.

So, you're saying that USA didn't benefit from German technology?  Or from other secrets from the spoils of war?

The Russians, British, French, Canadians, Austrailians and more all won the war together.

Why is is that only the US came into  the "super leage"?

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by GScholz
You are right that owning a business in Germany doesn't make Ford a fascist ... however he was a fascist. As early as 1922 he was financing Hitler's Nazi movement in Germany ... to the point that the Germans appealed to the US Ambassador in Berlin to investigate and halt Henry Ford's intervention into German domestic affairs.

The Bavarian Diet has long had the information that the Hitler movement was partly financed by an American anti-Semitic chief, who is Henry Ford. Mr. Ford's interest in the Bavarian anti-Semitic movement began a year ago when one of Mr. Ford's agents, seeking to sell tractors, came in contact with Diedrich Eichart, the notorious Pan-German. Shortly after, Herr Eichart asked Mr. Ford's agent for financial aid. The agent returned to America and immediately Mr. Ford's money began coming to Munich.

Herr Hitler openly boasts of Mr. Ford's support and praises Mr. Ford as a great individualist and a great anti-Semite. A photograph of Mr. Ford hangs in Herr Hitler's quarters, which is the center of monarchist movement.

- Vice President Auer of the Bavarian Diet, in Hitler's trial in 1923

I acknowleged Ford had his serio anti-smitic poblems. However he recanted them. And I would be very careful beliveng anything hitler said aboutb the exent of his support by somedidy as alrge as Ford in 1923... It would be very conveniet for his movement at the time, very conventient.

And what of the material I presented? Like for example the fact that he tried to stop ww1? Or that fo8unded all those left foundations?  I think he a very complicatd man...

[Replicant]

Originally posted by NUKE
The Russians, British, French, Canadians, Austrailians and more all won the war together.

Why is is that only the US came into  the "super leage"?

What I'm trying to say is that the US and Russia benefitted the most from Germany's surrender.  i.e. German scientists going to each country.  The Super League being Russia and US, and everyone else tried to follow their advances but have never quite caught up.  Had the US not had enterred WW2 then they wouldn't have had many, if any, German scientists to bolster their technology into what it is today.  Of course it's all hyperthetical but Germany would more likely to be the super power of today rather than say, the US.  Again, IMHO!  What ifs can never really be substantiated!

[Thrawn]

The only way the US doesn't get involved in the war is if Japan doesn't get all imperialistic.  So let say they don't.

This frees up British colonies and pervious dominions to help in Europe.  As well as a good chunk of the RN.  So now you also have India, Australia, New Zeland, Singpore, and a couple extra Canadian regiments added to a potentially invade Europe or what have you.

I think that you will find that if this were to occure you would probably end up with a world that needed more cowbell.

[weaselsan]

Originally posted by Replicant
Nice misquote, you forgot to quote the technology from both Germany and Japan; the rocket scientists helped move USA from technology advanced into the super league where everyone tried to follow.  Jeez, touchy spam can't take a hypothetical reply without getting your girdle in a twist.

So, you're saying that USA didn't benefit from German technology?  Or from other secrets from the spoils of war?

I said Chutney sux and it's a misquote about German, Japanese, and Bengalese technology????? O.K. If you say so?????

[Frogm4n]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I acknowleged Ford had his serio anti-smitic poblems. However he recanted them. And I would be very careful beliveng anything hitler said aboutb the exent of his support by somedidy as alrge as Ford in 1923... It would be very conveniet for his movement at the time, very conventient.

And what of the material I presented? Like for example the fact that he tried to stop ww1? Or that fo8unded all those left foundations?  I think he a very complicatd man...

I cannot believe you are defending a man who founded a USA chapter of the hitler youth. The man was a facsit all the way grun. stop makeing excuses, his side lost the war so of course he is going to recant everything to come out smelling like roses.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by Frogm4n
I cannot believe you are defending a man who founded a USA chapter of the hitler youth. The man was a facsit all the way grun. stop makeing excuses, his side lost the war so of course he is going to recant everything to come out smelling like roses.

He recanted his WW2 fascism by trying to stop WW1 and founding peace organizations in 1936?

You are a tool....

[GRUNHERZ]

Ford was a great american, no doubt about it. Flawed and eccentiric but on the blance of things he helped the america, the american people, the american worker and the world at large faaar faar more than any negative. Nobody can dispute that, well frogman can but he is a tool and a cxommunist who hates productive people and hate america..

BTW fpr all the BS about ford having built car factories in pre war germany lets not all forget that he built way more factories in the usa and deliberatly had them build weapons to defeat the germans..

So your Quisling comparison is nonsense.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by GScholz
Grun ... are you drunk?

No, why u think so? My spelling?   I just mind speelling atv all on bbs, makes it more fun/

[GRUNHERZ]

That was in response to Frogmans dumb staement that Ford ONLY did all of those things (I'm making the assumption that he read the articles i posted)  because he felt the need to repent for the nazis losing the war, ww2.  Trying to stop ww1 in 1914 and making those peace foundations in the early 1930s are hardly acts of repentant nazis...

Tell me what sort of a fascist joins up with a buch of left wing socilaists and tries to stop a big industrial corporate war of imperislsm?  What sort of fascist sets up a giant foundation to fun progressive peace activities for decades to come?  What sort of fascict is so progessive to raise the wages of his employees unliatreally?

You are so focused on your anti-cororatesism which you the readily link to facism that you are unwilling ton accept the fact that Ford is an incredibly complicated man. A mechanical and production genious on one hand while calearly a misguided political naive as witnesses by his various follies beggining with   his quixotic attempt to stop WW1.  You are aware of that right? He tried to stop ww1...  What sort of facsist does that?

An your comparison to quisling,  a man who openly betrayed his nation and delivered it to hitler, is in no way comporable to a man who built auto fcatories in pre war gemany...

[GRUNHERZ]

How did i disreagard anything about him? I meantioned it all openly.

Look at the posts in this thread.

From the begging I was accepting that he was deeply flawed.

?Your first pots were just about how he was evil nazi....

Dont even say I wasnt presenting a balanced portrayal.

Nice how your comparsions are again very convenient. Ford as qusiling, ford as goring, ford as hitler.

Tell me what effect would ford starting left wing socialist leano9ng peace groups in the usa have on desuding hilrt from war in europe?