Author Topic: internal lazer sight? (Read 832 times)

Steve · « **on:** February 28, 2004, 11:12:09 PM »

I have a Kimber Stainless goldmatch. Thinking about putting a lazer sight on it. The external lazer sights add more bulk to an already large gun. Any opinions on the internal ones that replace your recoil spring guide assembly? I was lookiong at one made by lazermax. I honestly don't know much about them. Information/opinions wanted/welcome.

Thanks!

Gman · « **Reply #1 on:** February 28, 2004, 11:50:24 PM »

Nice gun Steve, I have 2 of the same model myself, and am also the Canadian Distributor for Kimber. I like you more already :0.

As far as adding a laser sight, they DO have a use in my opinion, particularly as a deterent - sweeping the ground in front of an adversary then placing the dot on a part of his body his eyes will pick up on is a great non-lethal force technique.

As for mounting one on your pistol, I've had the LaserGrips, the internal recoil tube type, as well as the accessory rail mounted versions in the past. Go with an Insight Technology M6 on an aftermarket access rail on your pistol. The M6 is both a lumination device and a laser, having a white light on your pistol is probably as usefull as the laser. I honestly don't like the internal lasers much, but the laser grips are ok, just 1.5x as expensive as a good removable light/laser system.

You can get aftermarket rails like the LAPD run on their Kimber pistols, then just mount your light/laser to it. I remove mine all the time, as I usually only use it when goofing off, and it'll retain zero pretty well, easily within one inch at 10 meters.

Steve · « **Reply #2 on:** February 29, 2004, 12:21:43 AM »

Excellent info Gman, thank you! LAPD uses Kimber?

These aftermarket rails, are they cut into the frame? Will your average gunsmith be able to do this? Will any alterations reduce the value of the gun?

Also, I have been thinking about a carry weapon. Having had such great luck w/ my Kimber was thinking about going w/ their Ultra Carry II in .45. I like the round and my current kimber is a .45. Have you had the opportunity to fire one? If so, what did you think?

Thanks again for your help, Gman!

lazs2 · « **Reply #3 on:** February 29, 2004, 08:49:31 AM »

steve SWAT uses Kimber in LA. I have a eclipse custom that I lent our police force to try... they were testing a bunch of guns... all the cops liked my Kimber the best and got the best scores with it... they will most likely not get Kimbers tho because of the price.

lazs

NUKE · « **Reply #4 on:** February 29, 2004, 11:50:12 AM »

Steve, just go to Fry's Electronic's and get one of those small lazer pointers and duct tape it to the bottom. I'll help you tape it all together if you want.

I'm thinking I just saved you a couple hundred dollars

Mini D · « **Reply #5 on:** February 29, 2004, 11:53:19 AM »

See if you can get someone to let you try a lazer on a pistol. Personally, I don't find it very helpfull at all. You end up with too much adjusting and not enough shooting. A light is better.

MiniD

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 29, 2004, 01:05:39 PM »

You can actually buy grips that shoot a laser beam forward.

Dune · « **Reply #7 on:** February 29, 2004, 08:53:43 PM »

I much prefer just to use a light rather than the laser. For one thing, I don't like the thought of getting used to using a laser to target and the one time I need it, the battery goes dead.

Tarmac · « **Reply #8 on:** February 29, 2004, 10:25:45 PM »

My buddy got one of the internal laser sights. This gun is is first, and so far only, firearm. He put it on there, IMO, because he had too much money and wanted every little bell and whistle for his gun.

While he saw a quick jump in his accuracy, IMO it's more of a crutch than anything. The rest of us, who got into pistol shooting at approximately the same time (a bunch of friends took a CCW course together), are much better shots than he is. If he doesn't have that sight, he can't hit the broad side of a barn.

The only advantage that I noticed was that it helped us address some shooting technique issues. Observers could watch the laser and easily see if the shooter was pulling to one side, overcompensating for recoil, tensing up, etc.

Wolf14 · « **Reply #9 on:** March 01, 2004, 12:13:31 AM »

I agree with Tarmac on how the use of a laser aiming device can lead to bad aiming issues if it is used as a primary aimming device. On the same token I borrowed one from somebody to mount on my HK and I found I pulled to the left. I worked on the issue and gave the sight back. I think I shoot better without one now then when I had it on.

On a side note I am kinda devided by the use of flashlights mounted on the fire arm. I believe that even though it helps light the area I am pointing at, it also gives the other person shooting at me an idea where my body mass is. I prefer to use my off hand held away from my body to hold the flashlight. Granted there are situations that would even make that method risky and its always safer in my mind to hold a weapon with 2 hands. I just dont like a light as a main aiming point for a criminal inline with my vitals.

just my 2 cents

Steve · « **Reply #10 on:** March 01, 2004, 12:19:01 AM »

Wolf, that's my thoughts on the light... but the flip side of the argument has merit as well. The gun I'm discussing isn't one of my carry guns but rather the gun I would use for home defense.
Short of keeping some night vision goggles in the nightstand... still undecided.

rabbidrabbit · « **Reply #11 on:** March 01, 2004, 01:14:15 AM »

steve,

You might want to check out lazermax. They make a fine guide rod replacement laser pointer that I use in my Para Ord 14/45. It does not lose zero nor does it stick out or hang off in a bulky manner. The beam itself is as close to bore as you can get. Think of a laser sight as a additional tool that does have a lot of value for aiming in high intensity and low light situations. furthermore, don't underestimate the value of a flashing laser when it comes to intimidation when needed.

rabbidrabbit · « **Reply #12 on:** March 01, 2004, 01:16:39 AM »

oops.. did not read your post very well..> ya.. lazermax is pretty good..

Badger · « **Reply #13 on:** March 01, 2004, 06:19:51 AM »

I use the folowing laser sight grips on my 1911 Colt Gold Cup and 9mm Browning Hi-power service pistol. They work real well and are easily adjustable in about two minutes for "zeroing" while mounted.

I get fast target aquisition and excellent accuracy out to about 25 meters....

Laser Grips[/url]

Regards.
Badger

Morpheus · « **Reply #14 on:** March 01, 2004, 08:20:10 AM »

Crimson Trace grips are probably the best in the game right now Steve. You wont be unhappy with them. They aren't cheap but are all of what you are looking for.

The good thing about kimbers are the fact that any 1911 part will fit them. So there is a TON of parts on the market both new and used for Kimbers.

Before you buy anything I recomend looking on http://www.gunbroker.com for these grips. We do a lot of sellilng and some buying on Gunbroker for both of our gun stores here in conneticut. I haven't yet had any problems with gunbroker or the people you are dealing with when it comes to getting what you pay for.

If you cant find any decent prices Steve send me an email and I can help you out if you like.

~~Morph~~