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Offline NHawk

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« on: March 03, 2004, 08:45:26 AM »
While the automatic download if skins is nice, it does seem to affect frame rates.

How about making skin download an option from the hangar and/or tower? List available skins and let the user select the ones he wants. If he doesn't have a skin, the default is used on his machine.
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« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2004, 09:19:31 AM »
I doubt it effects frame rates. Why do you think it does?

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« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2004, 11:14:58 AM »
HT I think that he could referring to this anomoly that is being discussed in another thread ... any ideas what is causing this ?

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When I get to under d1000, about d600 of an enemy on initial merge...there's a game freeze/ stutter for a split second.

After the freeze all is fine.

I believe it has to do with skins being recognized or placed on my FE, or however they show-up to me on enemy planes...
It only happens when a new "skin" is introduced in combat and im d600 from it do I get the freeze.

After that plane "skin" shows up some time later, there is no freeze....
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« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2004, 11:58:10 AM »
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I doubt it effects frame rates. Why do you think it does?

HiTech
I didn't think it would either, but when I went online while flying around with nobody else around frame rates were in the 20 to 25ish range until the downloads stopped. They then returned to 30-40ish range depending on what I was doing.
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« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2004, 12:19:31 PM »
winmodem?
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Offline NHawk

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« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2004, 12:47:27 PM »
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winmodem?
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Not hardly. 1Mb Up/Down DSL connection.
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« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2004, 12:56:08 PM »
Operating System: Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 1 (2600.xpsp2.030422-1633)
Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.53GHz
Memory: 1024MB RAM
Page File: 154MB used, 2306MB available
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0b (4.09.0000.0902)
Card name: NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4600
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
Display Memory: 128.0 MB
Current Mode: 1024 x 768 (32 bit) (100Hz)
Driver Name: nv4_disp.dll
Driver Version: 6.14.0010.5303 (English)
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Offline JustJim

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Re: System Specs..
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2004, 04:29:52 PM »
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Operating System: Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 1 (2600.xpsp2.030422-1633)
Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.53GHz
Memory: 1024MB RAM
Page File: 154MB used, 2306MB available
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0b (4.09.0000.0902)
Card name: NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4600
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
Display Memory: 128.0 MB
Current Mode: 1024 x 768 (32 bit) (100Hz)
Driver Name: nv4_disp.dll
Driver Version: 6.14.0010.5303 (English)



your getting that low frame rates with that setup?

first off get rid of those 53.03 drivers for that Ti 4600,  those are for the newer nvidia cards and will actually take away from G4's performance.

45.23's are the highest you need for a Ti 4600 try that and I bet your frames will go up to the 60+ range
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Re: Re: System Specs..
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2004, 08:26:24 AM »
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your getting that low frame rates with that setup?
What DXDIAG neglets to reflect is that I'm running in 1280 x 1024 mode in the game and that I have all of the sliders maxed out. :)
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Offline JustJim

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Re: Re: Re: System Specs..
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2004, 03:53:03 PM »
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What DXDIAG neglets to reflect is that I'm running in 1280 x 1024 mode in the game and that I have all of the sliders maxed out. :)



Yeah so i run at 1600x1200 on a Geforce 4 Ti4400 w/sliders 80 to 90%  and i get better frames than that.

BTW did you see what I mentioned about the  drivers?
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Offline NHawk

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« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2004, 08:36:47 PM »
I tried your theory and see no improvement in frame rate. The only thing I can figure is that you're running a patched version of the NV drivers and you have Vsync turned off for the artificial feeling of higher frame rates.
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« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2004, 09:07:03 PM »
nhawk..

chk this out:

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System Information
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Time of this report: 2/11/2004, 19:48:43
       Machine name: DAVESPC
   Operating System: Microsoft Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 1 (2600.xpsp2.030422-1633)
           Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: MSI                            
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          Page File: 84MB used, 1794MB available
Primary File System: n/a
    DirectX Version: DirectX 8.1 (4.08.01.0810)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
     DxDiag Version: 5.01.2600.1106 32bit Unicode

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DxDiag Notes
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  DirectX Files Tab: No problems found.
      Display Tab 1: The file nv4_disp.dll is not digitally signed, which means that it has not been tested by Microsoft's Windows Hardware Quality Labs.  You may be able to get a signed driver from the manufacturer of the hardware device.
                     Direct3D test results: All tests were successful.
        Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
          Music Tab: No problems found.
          Input Tab: No problems found.
        Network Tab: No problems found.



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  Monitor Max Res: 1600,1200
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      DDI Version: 8 (or higher)
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Device Identifier: {D7B71E3E-41C0-11CF-DF67-0AB003C2CB35}
        Vendor ID: 0x10DE
        Device ID: 0x0280
        SubSys ID: 0x90001462
      Revision ID: 0x00A1
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       AGP Status: Enabled
DDraw Test Result:
 D3D7 Test Result: All tests were successful.
 D3D8 Test Result: All tests were successful.

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      Description: SB Live! Audio [E800]
        Device ID: PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0002&SUBSYS_80611102&REV_07
  Manufacturer ID: 1
       Product ID: 100
             Type: WDM
      Driver Name: ctaud2k.sys
   Driver Version: 5.12.01.0252 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
    Driver Signed: Yes
    Date and Size: 7/19/2002 10:47:52, 837548 bytes
      Other Files:
  Driver Provider: Creative
   HW Accel Level: Full
         Registry: OK
Sound Test Result:





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         Provider: Saitek
      Hardware ID: SaitekMagicBus\SaitekKeyboard
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        Port Name: Root Enumerator
    Port Provider: Saitek
          Port ID: *SaiClass
      Port Status: 0

      Device Name: Saitek Magic Mouse
         Provider: Saitek
      Hardware ID: SaitekMagicBus\SaitekMouse
           Status: 0
        Port Name: Root Enumerator
    Port Provider: Saitek
          Port ID: *SaiClass
      Port Status: 0

      Device Name: CH Control Manager Aux1 Device
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      Hardware ID: CHProducts\VID_068E&PID_C000
           Status: 0
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    Port Provider: CH Products
          Port ID: CHProducts\VID_068E&PID_C020
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      Device Name: CH Control Manager Aux2 Device
         Provider: CH Products
      Hardware ID: CHProducts\VID_068E&PID_C001
           Status: 0
        Port Name: CH Control Manager Root Device
    Port Provider: CH Products
          Port ID: CHProducts\VID_068E&PID_C020
      Port Status: 0

      Device Name: CH Pro Pedals USB
         Provider: CH Products
      Hardware ID: CHProducts\VID_068E&PID_C501
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        Port Name: CH Control Manager Root Device
    Port Provider: CH Products
          Port ID: CHProducts\VID_068E&PID_C020
      Port Status: 0

      Device Name: Saitek X45 Flight Controller USB
         Provider: Saitek
      Hardware ID: USB\Vid_06a3&Pid_053c&Rev_0002
           Status: 0
        Port Name: USB Root Hub
    Port Provider: (Standard USB Host Controller)
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      Port Status: 0

Poll w/ Interrupt: No
         Registry: OK






ok my FR's are only around 45-60 ... but still way higher than what you are describing.

my guess would be something else running in the background....






IF you stil get bad FR's going to the 41.09 drivers then something else is wrong.

the drivers higher than that are designed for the FX series cards... odd things happening with the Ti cards so Skuzzy says.

btw i keep my top slider in AHII (forgot which is which) at about 70% and the bottom one about 60%

great looking game for me, and i have to upgrade DirectX yet.
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Offline JustJim

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« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2004, 03:22:04 AM »
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Originally posted by NHawk
I tried your theory and see no improvement in frame rate. The only thing I can figure is that you're running a patched version of the NV drivers and you have Vsync turned off for the artificial feeling of higher frame rates.


From what I and many have seen Resolution doesnt seem to effect frame rates very much.

Well don't know what to tell you but here it goes.



and  cool just noticed new p51 file sweet

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« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2004, 03:44:26 AM »
And Also.


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System Information
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Time of this report: 3/5/2004, 04:35:29
       Machine name: R3R3L2
   Operating System: Windows 98 (4.10, Build 2222)  A
           Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: n/a
       System Model: n/a
               BIOS: n/a
          Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2100+,  MMX,  3DNow, ~1.7GHz
             Memory: 512MB RAM
          Page File: 81MB used, 1454MB available
        Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
    DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0b (4.09.0000.0902)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
     DxDiag Version: 4.09.0000.0902 32bit

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DxDiag Notes
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  DirectX Files Tab: No problems found.
      Display Tab 1: The file nvdisp.drv is not digitally signed, which means that it has not been tested by Microsoft's Windows Hardware Quality Labs (WHQL).  Current drivers tested for a WHQL logo are only available on Windows ME, Windows 2000, and Windows XP.  New Windows 98 drivers are no longer tested for WHQL logos.
        Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
          Music Tab: No problems found.
          Input Tab: No problems found.
        Network Tab: No problems found.

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Direct3D:    0/4 (n/a)
DirectDraw:  0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectPlay:  0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow:  0/6 (retail)

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        Card name: NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4400
     Manufacturer: NVIDIA
        Chip type:
         DAC type:
       Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0251&SUBSYS_87101462&REV_A2\000800
   Display Memory: 126.5 MB
     Current Mode: 1600 x 1200 (32 bit)(optimal refresh rate)
          Monitor: S/M 1100p+
  Monitor Max Res: 2048,1536
      Driver Name: nvdisp.drv
   Driver Version: 4.14.0010.4523 (English)
      DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
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      WHQL Logo'd: No
  WHQL Date Stamp: None
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      Revision ID: 0x00A2
      Revision ID: 0x00A2
      Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_A ModeMPEG2_B ModeMPEG2_C
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Offline NHawk

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« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2004, 08:13:24 AM »
Interesting, at those exact same settings I get a triangle count that's over 10,000 :X
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