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« on: March 04, 2004, 06:14:28 PM »
Reagan Approved Plan to Sabotage Soviets
Book Recounts Cold War Program That Made Technology Go Haywire

By David E. Hoffman
Washington Post Foreign Service
Friday, February 27, 2004; Page A01

In January 1982, President Ronald Reagan approved a CIA plan to sabotage the economy of the
Soviet Union through covert transfers of technology that contained hidden malfunctions,
including software that later triggered a huge explosion in a Siberian natural gas pipeline,
according to a new memoir by a Reagan White House official.

Thomas C. Reed, a former Air Force secretary who was serving in the National Security Council
at the time, describes the episode in "At the Abyss: An Insider's History of the Cold War," to
be published next month by Ballantine Books. Reed writes that the pipeline explosion was just
one example of "cold-eyed economic warfare" against the Soviet Union that the CIA carried out
under Director William J. Casey during the final years of the Cold War.


At the time, the United States was attempting to block Western Europe from importing Soviet
natural gas. There were also signs that the Soviets were trying to steal a wide variety of
Western technology. Then, a KGB insider revealed the specific shopping list and the CIA slipped
the flawed software to the Soviets in a way they would not detect it.


"In order to disrupt the Soviet gas supply, its hard currency earnings from the West, and the
internal Russian economy, the pipeline software that was to run the pumps, turbines, and valves
was programmed to go haywire, after a decent interval, to reset pump speeds and valve settings
to produce pressures far beyond those acceptable to pipeline joints and welds," Reed writes.


"The result was the most monumental non-nuclear explosion and fire ever seen from space," he
recalls, adding that U.S. satellites picked up the explosion. Reed said in an interview that
the blast occurred in the summer of 1982.


"While there were no physical casualties from the pipeline explosion, there was significant
damage to the Soviet economy," he writes. "Its ultimate bankruptcy, not a bloody battle or
nuclear exchange, is what brought the Cold War to an end. In time the Soviets came to
understand that they had been stealing bogus technology, but now what were they to do? By
implication, every cell of the Soviet leviathan might be infected. They had no way of knowing
which equipment was sound, which was bogus. All was suspect, which was the intended endgame for
the entire operation."


Reed said he obtained CIA approval to publish details about the operation. The CIA learned of
the full extent of the KGB's pursuit of Western technology in an intelligence operation known
as the Farewell Dossier. Portions of the operation have been disclosed earlier, including in a
1996 paper in Studies in Intelligence, a CIA journal. The paper was written by Gus W. Weiss, an
expert on technology and intelligence who was instrumental in devising the plan to send the
flawed materials and served with Reed on the National Security Council. Weiss died Nov. 25 at
72.


According to the Weiss article and Reed's book, the Soviet authorities in 1970 set up a new KGB
section, known as Directorate T, to plumb Western research and development for badly needed
technology. Directorate T's operating arm to steal the technology was known as Line X. Its
spies were often sprinkled throughout Soviet delegations to the United States; on one visit to
a Boeing plant, "a Soviet guest applied adhesive to his shoes to obtain metal samples," Weiss
recalled in his article.


Then, at a July 1981 economic summit in Ottawa, President Francois Mitterrand of France told
Reagan that French intelligence had obtained the services of an agent they dubbed "Farewell,"
Col. Vladimir Vetrov, a 53-year-old engineer who was assigned to evaluate the intelligence
collected by Directorate T.


Vetrov, who Weiss recalled had provided his services for ideological reasons, photographed and
supplied 4,000 documents on the program. The documents revealed the names of more than 200 Line
X officers around the world and showed how the Soviets were carrying out a broad-based effort
to steal Western technology.


"Reagan expressed great interest in Mitterrand's sensitive revelations and was grateful for his
offer to make the material available to the U.S. administration," Reed writes. The Farewell
Dossier arrived at the CIA in August 1981. "It immediately caused a storm," Reed says in the
book. "The files were incredibly explicit. They set forth the extent of Soviet penetration into
U.S. and other Western laboratories, factories and government agencies."


"Reading the material caused my worst nightmares to come true," Weiss recalled. The documents
showed the Soviets had stolen valuable data on radar, computers, machine tools and
semiconductors, he wrote. "Our science was supporting their national defense."


The Farewell Dossier included a shopping list of future Soviet priorities. In January 1982,
Weiss said he proposed to Casey a program to slip the Soviets technology that would work for a
while, then fail. Reed said the CIA "would add 'extra ingredients' to the software and hardware
on the KGB's shopping list."


"Reagan received the plan enthusiastically," Reed writes. "Casey was given a go." According to
Weiss, "American industry helped in the preparation of items to be 'marketed' to Line X." Some
details about the flawed technology were reported in Aviation Week and Space Technology in 1986
and in a 1995 book by Peter Schweizer, "Victory: The Reagan Administration's Secret Strategy
that Hastened the Collapse of the Soviet Union."


The sabotage of the gas pipeline has not been previously disclosed, and at the time was a
closely guarded secret. When the pipeline exploded, Reed writes, the first reports caused
concern in the U.S. military and at the White House. "NORAD feared a missile liftoff from a
place where no rockets were known to be based," he said, referring to North American Air
Defense Command. "Or perhaps it was the detonation of a small nuclear device." However,
satellites did not pick up any telltale signs of a nuclear explosion.


"Before these conflicting indicators could turn into an international crisis," he added, "Gus
Weiss came down the hall to tell his fellow NSC staffers not to worry."


The role that Reagan and the United States played in the collapse of the Soviet Union is still
a matter of intense debate. Some argue that U.S. policy was the key factor -- Reagan's military
buildup; the Strategic Defense Initiative, Reagan's proposed missile defense system;
confronting the Soviets in regional conflicts; and rapid advances in U.S. high technology. But
others say that internal Soviet factors were more important, including economic decline and
President Mikhail Gorbachev's revolutionary policies of glasnost and perestroika.


Reed, who served in the National Security Council from January 1982 to June 1983, said the
United States and its NATO allies later "rolled up the entire Line X collection network, both
in the U.S. and overseas." Weiss said "the heart of Soviet technology collection crumbled and
would not recover."


However, Vetrov's espionage was discovered by the KGB, and he was executed in 1983.

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« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2004, 06:18:04 PM »
Maybe there should be a USS Vetrov.

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« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2004, 06:29:17 PM »
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Maybe there should be a USS Vetrov.


good idea..... A Destroyer.

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« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2004, 06:58:59 PM »
Sounds like a great plan to me. Glad it worked.

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« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2004, 07:50:21 PM »
Repost but still good to punt it, not many lefties responded to the last thread about this :lol
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« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2004, 07:50:56 PM »
them no good republicans, always playing dirty tricks, i demand a recount.

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« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2004, 05:06:57 AM »
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At the time, the United States was attempting to block Western Europe from importing Soviet
natural gas. There were also signs that the Soviets were trying to steal a wide variety of
Western technology. Then, a KGB insider revealed the specific shopping list and the CIA slipped
the flawed software to the Soviets in a way they would not detect it.
 


Great allies. Yeah, all Europeans must kneel and kiss their feet  for saving them from Evil Communists, including Evil Communist natural gas and other Evil Communist supplies.

Freezing in Winter that Europeans must have been warmed by a feeling of Freedom and Democracy brought to them by their great Ally from overseas, who made it possible.

And if they didn't feel enough pleasure - they could have to be punished for trading with Evil Communist Enemy, instead of freezing under Freedom and Democracy. :aok

The more truth is revealed - the more I feel that USSR was a right side in a cold war. Another shock for ex-USSR people in last 5-10 years was that most of what Soviet propaganda, that we all laughed at in the 70s-80s, was true... :(

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« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2004, 05:31:08 AM »
I'm surprised they named a carrier after him.

An ammunition supply ship might have been more apt.
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« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2004, 05:34:32 AM »
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Another shock for ex-USSR people in last 5-10 years was that most of what Soviet propaganda, that we all laughed at in the 70s-80s, was true...


Specifically...?

Or are you still under the illusion that the Berlin wall was there to keep the vulnerable Easterners from the decadent Western pig-dogs, and was welcomed by most East Berliners?
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« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2004, 05:36:08 AM »
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Great allies. Yeah, all Europeans must kneel and kiss their feet  for saving them from Evil Communists, including Evil Communist natural gas and other Evil Communist supplies.

Freezing in Winter that Europeans must have been warmed by a feeling of Freedom and Democracy brought to them by their great Ally from overseas, who made it possible.

And if they didn't feel enough pleasure - they could have to be punished for trading with Evil Communist Enemy, instead of freezing under Freedom and Democracy. :aok

The more truth is revealed - the more I feel that USSR was a right side in a cold war. Another shock for ex-USSR people in last 5-10 years was that most of what Soviet propaganda, that we all laughed at in the 70s-80s, was true... :(


 

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« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2004, 05:53:41 AM »
there are a few on this board that wouldve welcomed a USS Lenin


to bad their side went :o
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« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2004, 06:44:35 AM »
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Specifically...?[/QUOTE]

NATO was and still remains an enemy, an agressive, imperialistic alliance, made to support American interests by force.

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Or are you still under the illusion that the Berlin wall was there to keep the vulnerable Easterners from the decadent Western pig-dogs, and was welcomed by most East Berliners?


Dowding, maybe we'd better talk about the colonies of British Empire? How you slaughtered thousands of Hindus etc? Or maybe about what Americans did to the Indians? Looks like they'll prefer Evil Communists to Brave Fighters for Freedom and Democracy.

About Berlin wall etc: why do you always mention it? Isn't it clear for you that your side was an agressor, and still remains? We withdrew from Europe, and now we have our major cities within NATO tactical aviation ranges. Back in cold war times it was a reason good enough for your lunatics in NATO to start a war, so I'm glad the times have changed.

You see, your American "friends" decided to freeze whole countries just to make their population blame Evil Communists. Every new information revealed about cold war times shows West as a gang of crooks, gangsters and international terrorists. Don't you find it strange?
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« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2004, 07:09:11 AM »
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NATO was and still remains an enemy, an agressive, imperialistic alliance, made to support American interests by force.


Then why didn't we invade Switzerland or Sweden and add them to the 'Empire'?

Why was there not a single uprising in any NATO associated country since its inception to this date? It would be much easier to do than in the Soviet Union, given our freedom of movement and speech laws. We have never needed passports to move from one province to another.

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Dowding, maybe we'd better talk about the colonies of British Empire? How you slaughtered thousands of Hindus etc? Or maybe about what Americans did to the Indians?


The key difference here is that British colonial excesses and American expansionism have been widely acknowledged as regrettable mistakes and are definitely not the norm for either the British Empire or the US.

Compare and contrast the Soviet system, which slaughtered thousands, millions of people from 1917 - a slaughter you continue to deny ever happened, in the case of Katyn or actually rationalise away, in the case of Stalin's modernizations.

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About Berlin wall etc: why do you always mention it?


I mention it, because it is the perfect stage for argument. You do realise that people coming through the Berlin wall from the East were never searched by the Western authorities, but those going into the East were scrutinized to an amazing level by the East German border police. Counter espionage for the West was infinitely more difficult for the Western intelligence agencies.

What are your feelings about the Stazi? Over zealous policemen who wouldn't hurt a fly?

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Isn't it clear for you that your side was an agressor, and still remains?


I'm sorry for the sarcasm but...

The Berlin airlift - wow, look at the agression there! Those cargo planes full of food and medicine - scary!

I'm fascinated, not to say a little unnerved, by the way a modern Russian can believe that the East Europeans actually wanted protection from NATO, and would want the Russian Soviets to provide it. What is your take on the Hungarian uprisings?

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We withdrew from Europe...


You what? You were bankrupted out of Europe, so don't try and make it out it was considered strategic move that would benefit the Russian state - you would still be there if this was not the case.
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« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2004, 07:47:40 AM »
Boroda you are such a demented freak.... Gawd you're funny...

The berlin wall was there to protect the east germans from nato agression....  

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« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2004, 07:50:38 AM »
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The key difference here is that British colonial excesses and American expansionism have been widely acknowledged as regrettable mistakes and are definitely not the norm for either the British Empire or the US.


Same thing here. I am happy we don't have to feed Central Asian and Baltic republics, but what modern "party line" lacks is an understanding that our presence in Eastern Europe was vital for the very existance of our country and nation (I mean not only Russian).


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Compare and contrast the Soviet system, which slaughtered thousands, millions of people from 1917 - a slaughter you continue to deny ever happened, in the case of Katyn or actually rationalise away, in the case of Stalin's modernizations.


Dowding, how many more times I'll have to say that my family suffered enough in pre-War times?

But I will also repeat that the whole propaganda concept of "purges" and "repressions" was invented and spread by nazis in late-30s. Your propaganda again failed to invent anything new. The numbers of "repressed" people most of you Westerners believe are fictional. Again, in 1999 we had 2 times more people in prisons and camps then in 1940, the worst year of "repressions". You just repeat what you were told by your lame school "history" books full of cold-war propaganda, like parrots, without even attempting to think of it.

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I mention it, because it is the perfect stage for argument. You do realise that people coming through the Berlin wall from the East were never searched by the Western authorities, but those going into the East were scrutinized to an amazing level by the East German border police. Counter espionage for the West was infinitely more difficult for the Western intelligence agencies.


That had reasons behind it, and it's a pity that you can't understand it.

For me the perfect stage for argument is the genocide performed by colonial empires, when whole nations or even races ceased to exist. Another perfect stage is that US and NATO planned a nuclear agression against my country since 1946, including wiping all major Soviet cities, and bloody gangsters admit it! And it was done to "liberate people enslaved by Evil Communist Regime"! Liberate my prettythang! @#$^&$#^#&$#!!!

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The Berlin airlift - wow, look at the agression there! Those cargo planes full of food and medicine - scary!


You have been told here about the reasons of West Berlin isolation. Are you literate? Or is it me and Miko (with whom I disagree on many points) who use too many difficult words and concepts?

Believe me, if such a provocation as a separation of Western occupational zones was made by Red side - your "brave fighters" should have shot that cargo planes with no doubt.

I strongly advise you to stop bringing up rotten propaganda crap again and again.

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Interesting. I'm fascinated, not to say a little unnerved, by the way a modern Russian can believe that the East Europeans actually wanted protection from NATO, and would want the Russian Soviets to provide it. What is your take on the Hungarian uprisings?


I don't care about Eastern Europeans. We were protecting ourselves. We still have all possible reasons to be afraid of your "civilized" agressors.

Hungarian uprising? What if Irish people started hanging people who speak English and have relations with UK on lamp posts, declaring that they are now allies of the USSR  - what will your government do? Invade Ireland immediately, and try to restore status quo? Or just send them flowers and welcome Soviet troops?

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You what? You were bankrupted out of Europe, so don't try and make it out it was considered strategic move that would benefit Russia - you would still be there if this was not the case.


Partially correct. We simply couldn't keep the arms race. But now it only will take time till you "fighters for peace" start blackmailing us by targeting Leningrad (SPb, I just can't pronounce SaNKTPeterburg, and I was born in Leningrad).

I only try to show you that your presence in Western Europe wasn't justified by "Soviet threat". After the threat disappeared - you didn't withdraw, but kept on moving towards our borders, with obvious agressive intentions. So it goes. :(