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Offline Kegger26

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The G10 needs to go.
« on: March 05, 2004, 07:52:38 AM »
Just flew in the CT this morning.... The G10 needs to go. It compleatly out matches the P51B. It out climbs, out turns, out dives, and out runs the Bravo. The reasion for not giving the allies the D model pony was because it didnt come out untill June 44, well the G10 didnt come out untill Oct. 44. Give the allies the D model so we have some upstairs performance, or lose the G10. Out of the four fights I got into this morning, I only got one kill... not becuase I am a bad pilot, but becuase every time I met an axis player they were flying the G10, and they were at 20-25K over the channle catching me at 12K. Even when I climbed up from a back feild to 25K I had a 109G10 out run me and dive for his home feild ack. I really think he G10 is going to dominate this arena. If you really need to have it in, can you atleast perk it like 5-7 perks? For that matter can you do the same with the Delta Stang?? I mean if we have a late 44 G10, then we should be able to have a mid 44 pony right???

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« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2004, 08:39:59 AM »
Once you get to alt shouldnt the P47 be able to handle it?

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« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2004, 08:41:52 AM »
yeah, i'd put in the 190a5 and take out the 109g-10.  this is supposedly *before* d-day, making it fairly early '44.
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Offline Kegger26

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« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2004, 08:41:54 AM »
Nope.... The 47 is not near as fast as the G10 at alt.

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« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2004, 08:47:46 AM »
I don't get it.

 Even if what you claim is true, how's getting a P-51D gonna solve any of the "outruns, outturns
, outclimbs, outdives"
issue? Especially when a lot of knowledgeable people flying P-51s tend to say the P-51B is the more deadlier pure fighter of the two?

 Not to mention the fact that "upstairs performance" you say, is actually better with the P-51B - as the P-51B both climbs better way better than the D over 10k above, and becomes faster than the D at 15k above.

 Also there's the little fact that the advantages of the P-51s at alt, in speed category, shows only over 25,000 ft - the 109 still climbs better than the both of those planes upto 30k.

 Another strange thing is,  you say; "I only got one kill... not becuase I am a bad pilot, but becuase every time I met an axis player they were flying the G10, and they were at 20-25K over the channle catching me at 12K.".

 Then, you're saying you wouldn't be at 12k if you had a P-51D? When the P-51B is actually better than the D at alt?

 ...

 A lot of people would willingly dispute the fact the G-10 out turns the P-51B.

 In the dive category the G-10 is absolutely no match against any P-51. While the top speeds are comparable, dive acceleration is much slower in the G-10 so usually, the P-51 out runs the G-10, at least upto the point where it matters. Besides, anything over 420mph and the G-10 turns into a pig.

 Frankly kegger, none of what you say makes sense.

ps) Besides, sorry to turn this into an Axis-Allied comparison, but I think people took it very well when the N1Ks and Ki61s they were flying were 60~70mph slower than the P-38L at alt.

 You're asking for a P-51D because the Bf109G-10 marginally out turns the P-51B, and is 10mph faster than the P-51B at 25k??

ps2) Hmm, on second thought, I wouldn't mind. If people can't handle a G-10 with a P-51B, then it's not much different whether or not the D is added in.

ps3) This, is one of the weirdest requests I've seen in the CT.
« Last Edit: March 05, 2004, 08:56:33 AM by Kweassa »

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« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2004, 08:56:42 AM »
the way the setup was posted, the axis have the advantage if the numbers are close - but if/when the allies outnumber them 2/3/4 to 1, it would be a nice change to be able to avoid the gangbang for once ..
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« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2004, 09:01:08 AM »
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Originally posted by Kweassa
I don't get it.

 Even if what you claim is true, how's getting a P-51D gonna solve any of the "outruns, outturns
, outclimbs, outdives"
issue? Especially when a lot of knowledgeable people flying P-51s tend to say the P-51B is the more deadlier pure fighter of the two?

 Not to mention the fact that "upstairs performance" you say, is actually better with the P-51B - as the P-51B both climbs better way better than the D over 10k above, and becomes faster than the D at 15k above.

 Also there's the little fact that the advantages of the P-51s at alt, in speed category, shows only over 25,000 ft - the 109 still climbs better than the both of those planes upto 30k.

 Another strange thing is,  you say; "I only got one kill... not becuase I am a bad pilot, but becuase every time I met an axis player they were flying the G10, and they were at 20-25K over the channle catching me at 12K.".

 Then, you're saying you wouldn't be at 12k if you had a P-51D? When the P-51B is actually better than the D at alt?

 ...

 A lot of people would willingly dispute the fact the G-10 out turns the P-51B.

 In the dive category the G-10 is absolutely no match against any P-51. While the top speeds are comparable, dive acceleration is much slower in the G-10 so usually, the P-51 out runs the G-10, at least upto the point where it matters. Besides, anything over 420mph and the G-10 turns into a pig.

 Frankly kegger, none of what you say makes sense.



 Well lets correct some of what you said.
1. If we had the G6 vs the B model pony we would be some what at a close alt, thus the fight would be more evenly matched.
 2. Above 22K the D model pony out performs the B model pony. Since all the G10 jocks are above 20-25K it makes sense to have the D model if your going to be up that high.
 3. I fly the B model alot, but if I know the fight is going to be up high, you bet your sweet tail, I will put my bellybutton in a Delta. At 20K the D is faster.
 Whats more so the G10 out performs the Delta as well. Top that all off with a nasty cannon, its a pretty mean pkg.
 As for me not making sense...it seems that other ppl understood what I was saying... But here it is again, this is an early 44 set up, the G10 is an oct 44 plane.
 





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« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2004, 11:06:07 AM »
The G10 wont out turn a 51B, and wont out dive the 51B or the P-47. I think if you get the 47 up there to 25-30k the G10 will be in trouble.

If the G10 is removed it should be for the valid reason that it was not deployed yet at this point of the war not from a performance standpoint. But then again, we had our '44 version of the Tiffie in the '42 BoB last time so time of deployment might not matter.

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« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2004, 11:22:15 AM »
You gonna be up this week Storch? If so keep your head on a swivel looking for high P-47's I'm gonna be a world class Alt Monkey this week. ;)

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Re: The G10 needs to go.
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2004, 11:23:43 AM »
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Originally posted by Kegger26
Just flew in the CT this morning.... The G10 needs to go.

Hot darn!  Maybe this week I'll get to fly Allies regularly.

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« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2004, 01:04:44 PM »
Hmmm,

A B pony should eat the G-10 for lunch 1 on 1. The D model isn't going to do anything the B cant except have 2 extra guns. The B is actually a bit faster and turns better at lower alts. The G-10 is a tough bird but it hasto be well flown. I'd say you were out flown...not out plane'd.

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« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2004, 01:38:52 PM »
No worries Kegger. Fly Allied. I'm gonna fly axis and learn how to fly 109's all week.  Me in a G10 (or any 109) is an accident looking for a place to happen.

Go easy on me Gents, I'm an old man :)

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« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2004, 02:17:19 PM »
g10 out turn pony-b, laughable, really.

out dive? the g10 is one of the easiest planes to compress in the whole game.

i really hate flying g10s because i suck so bad in them. i havent got to fly this set up yet. sounds like fun though.

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« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2004, 02:51:14 PM »
I say leave it in. There's no such thing as a perfect balance and I, personally, love a good challenge. Even if it doesn't fit the time period  I'm not a fan of mid-scenario changes whether they are in my favor or not.

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« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2004, 02:56:27 PM »
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No worries Kegger. Fly Allied. I'm gonna fly axis and learn how to fly 109's all week.  Me in a G10 (or any 109) is an accident looking for a place to happen.

Go easy on me Gents, I'm an old man :)

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