Classic dogfights that you wish you could have seen

[Karnak]

I was thinking about this, and I know that there are so many out there that there has got to be a wide cross section here.

My list, that occurs to me of hand, is as follows:

28 July 1940: Adolf 'Sailor" Malan vs. Werner 'Vati' Moelders

This is the only confirmed ace vs. ace fight of the Battle of Britain.  Malan in his Spitfire MkIa fought a duel against Moelders' Bf109E-4 that ended with the German ace being wounded and withdrawing.

July 27 1942: George "Buzz" Beurling vs. Furio Niclot and Faliero Gelli

In this fight Buerling, flying his Spitfire MkVc, shot down the C.202 Folgores flown by both members of Italy's leading pair, killing the leading Italian ace Furio Niclot outright.

24 June 1944: Saburo Sakai vs. elements of VF-1, -2 and -50

Saburo Sakai survived a solo engagement in his A6M5 Model 52 Zero-Sen against a group of F6F-5 Hellcats, maybe as many as 15.

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[Animal]

spit dweeb killed those poor 202

[Keez]

Lazs vs his first bomber

I would just love to see how Lazs got shot down by the very first bomber that killed him. If you look at how he yells against bomber pilots these days, it must have been an incredibly emberassing kill.

[Sancho]

1 Sep 1942: Hans-Joachim Marseille's 19 victories.  9 were shot down in one sortie.  Story is his armorer counted the ammo after the sortie and saw Jochen had used just 20 cannon shells and 60 mg rounds to down the planes.    He later shot down 8 more in 2 sorties later the same day.  This in a 109F against British Kittyhawks and Spits.

[loser]

snoopy vs the red baron

[SFRT - Frenchy]

Wittnessing them is of no interrest for me, I would had liked to be "in their shoes".

If I was Sakai, would I survived, would I killed more, less?
If I was against Sakai, would I be the one who would had shot him down?

[Durr]

Something just fascinates me about dogfights where the odds are hopelessly against somebody and they go in anyway.  Maybe its because, having played a game like Aces High you can get an inkling of how difficult it really was to take on superior numbers and survive.

  I would have liked to have seen the fight where the Japanese ace (Muto?) in a N1k2 fought 12 Hellcats and shot down 4 before withdrawing.
  Also, the fight where Major Shomo in his P-51 with one wingman attacked 12 Japanese fighters (Ki-61s)and one bomber, shooting down 6 of the fighters and one bomber. His wingman got 3 more of the fighters.  The remaining fighters, although they still outnumbered the Americans 3-2 ran for their lives.  Shomo got the Medal of Honor for that fight.  
  There was another fight where a Marine Corsair pilot, whose name I dont remember singelhandedly attacked a formation of Japanese planes whose numbers were approximately 50.  He attacked not just once but after diving through and getting separated in the clouds he attacked them a second time.  This attack was confirmed by a Army P-39 pilot that had been shot down in the area.  The Marine pilot shot down 2 or 3 of the Japanese I think before breaking off.  I think he won the Navy Cross for that fight.  
 Hans Joachim Marseille has a bunch of air battles that I would have liked to have seen.  The one where he shot down 6 aircraft in 6 minutes using just his MGs since his cannon had jammed.  Witnesses to that one said that if they hadnt seen it they wouldnt have believed it.
  And finally, this one isnt WW2 but I would have liked to have seen the fight where the German teenaged ace, Werner Voss was killed. Voss was the 4th scoring ace of the German Air Force in WW1 when he entered his last fight.  In the final battle he took on 7 British SE5 fighters in his Dr.1 Fokker.  His 7 opponants were all aces (they finished the war with 187 kills between them) and he fought them for 10 minutes, putting bullets into all 7 British fighters before he went down with engine failure.  He was shot dead as his plane glided towards the earth.
 On second thought, I dont think I would have liked to have seen the fight where one of my favorite aces of all time was killed.    

[SOB]

I dunno...The classic dogfight I've always wanted to see would have been between Scrappy Doo and that big bulldog's little nephew in the Tweety & Sylvester cartoons.


SOB

[Kweassa]

Robert Johnson meets Egon Mayer

 details at 7:00

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[SirLoin]

I would like to have seen the battle where Pappy Boyington led 26 F4U's to Kahili.The Japanese pilots refused to take off to meet them until Pappy himself taunted them on the radio.This got them up and the Black Sheep bounced/vultched them scoring 20 kills without a single loss!...Actually,I think I have seen this before..      

[FlyingDuckSittingSwan]

Doesn't anyone else find it funny when, in war, people just become numbers instead of people?

My case in point:
This got them up and the Black Sheep bounced/vultched them scoring 20 kills without a single loss

I would have liked to have seen the fight where the Japanese ace (Muto?) in a N1k2 fought 12 Hellcats and shot down 4 before withdrawing.

1 Sep 1942: Hans-Joachim Marseille's 19 victories. 9 were shot down in one sortie.

I wonder if they forgot there were people in the planes they were "vulching" or just a number.

I'm not anti-war or anything...just making an observation.

[1776]

"I wonder if they forgot there were people in the planes they were "vulching" or just a number."

War is pure hell.  Everyone is a number,everyone

[Durr]

You shouldnt say you arent anti-war. Everybody should be anti-war. Im anti-war.  I know what you meant though. I assume that you meant that you werent what most readily springs to mind when you think anti-war -- a mindless peacenik that believes that peace at any price is a good idea.  Too often, the antiwar label is used by by people that are actually anti-USA.  No sane person is "pro-war".  However, any reasonable person knows that there are times when war is the only possible solution.  Some things are worse than war and peace should not and will not be had at the cost of certain things.  Believing this doesnt make you "pro-war" or anything of the sort.

[Steven]

Cunningham vs Ritchie.

(Actually, would love to have seen the F-8 pilots who were guests of Olds' Wolfpack during Vietnam to "go over" ACM.)

[SirLoin]

FDSS,you are the Devil's Advocate it seems.