Author Topic: Lawsuits against Gun Mfgs (Read 835 times)

Hooligan · « **Reply #15 on:** March 03, 2004, 06:42:12 PM »

Froggie:

You seem to be a bit confused about the so-called gun-show loophole

Full article is at: http://www.cato.org/dailys/01-10-00.html

Read the excerpt below.

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January 10, 2000

The Facts about Gun Shows
by David B. Kopel

David B. Kopel is an associate policy analyst at the Cato Institute.

"Close the gun show loophole," demands Handgun Control, Inc. The major obstacle to Congress's complying with HCI's wishes appears to be the desire of many Democrats to preserve gun shows as a campaign issue in the 2000 election. But if the voters learn the facts about gun shows, they will discover that there is no gun show loophole, no gun show crime problem and no reason to adopt federal legislation whose main effect would be to infringe on First and Second Amendment rights.

Despite what some media commentators have claimed, existing gun laws apply just as much to gun shows as they do to any other place where guns are sold. Since 1938, persons selling firearms have been required to obtain a federal firearms license. If a dealer sells a gun from a storefront, from a room in his home or from a table at a gun show, the rules are exactly the same: he can get authorization from the FBI for the sale only after the FBI runs its "instant" background check (which often takes days to complete). As a result, firearms are the most severely regulated consumer product in the United States -- the only product for which FBI permission is required for every single sale.

Conversely, people who are not engaged in the business of selling firearms, but who sell firearms from time to time (such as a man who sells a hunting rifle to his brother-in-law), are not required to obtain the federal license required of gun dealers or to call the FBI before completing the sale.

Similarly, if a gun collector dies and his widow wants to sell the guns, she does not need a federal firearms license because she is just selling off inherited property and is not "engaged in the business." And if the widow doesn't want to sell her deceased husband's guns by taking out a classified ad in the newspaper, it is lawful for her to rent a table at a gun show and sell the entire collection.

If you walk along the aisles at any gun show, you will find that the overwhelming majority of guns offered for sale are from federally licensed dealers. Guns sold by private individuals (such as gun collectors getting rid of a gun or two over the the weekend) are the distinct minority.

Yet HCI claims that "25-50 percent of the vendors at most gun shows are unlicensed dealers." That statistic is true only if one counts vendors who aren't selling guns (e.g., vendors who are selling books, clothing or accessories) as "unlicensed dealers."

Denver congresswoman Diana DeGette says that 70 percent of guns used in crimes come from gun shows. The true figure is rather different, according to the National Institute of Justice, the research arm of the U.S. Department of Justice. According to an NIJ study released in December 1997 ("Homicide in Eight U.S. Cities," a report that covers much more than homicide), only 2 percent of criminal guns come from gun shows.

That finding is consistent with a mid-1980s study for the NIJ, which investigated the gun purchase and use habits of convicted felons in 12 state prisons. The study (later published as the book Armed and Considered Dangerous) found that gun shows were such a minor source of criminal gun acquisition that they were not even worth reporting as a separate figure.

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senna · « **Reply #16 on:** March 03, 2004, 06:48:16 PM »

Hiya Hooligan.

Havent flown with the BKs in a while. Sure miss winging with you guys.

Hooligan · « **Reply #17 on:** March 03, 2004, 08:06:35 PM »

You still flying? Next time you are online find a BK and tell them you need a reinvite. I will email the squad mailing list tonight and let them know to expect you.

Hooligan

Frogm4n · « **Reply #18 on:** March 03, 2004, 09:58:10 PM »

I am not confused about it.

senna · « **Reply #19 on:** March 03, 2004, 11:26:57 PM »

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Originally posted by Hooligan
You still flying? Next time you are online find a BK and tell them you need a reinvite. I will email the squad mailing list tonight and let them know to expect you.

Hooligan

Actually no. My account is not activated at the moment and wont have time to play ah for a while. When I do come back and play ah again, I'll look you guys up of course.

Leslie · « **Reply #20 on:** March 04, 2004, 04:13:20 AM »

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Originally posted by Eagler
the gun store and the gun maker have already been sued at least once here in FL after a murder

yes, it is retarded but typical in our "it's not my fault" world we live in today..

It is typical for those who would deny us our freedom, just because they can. I seriously question any court's sanity, that would even consider such lawsuits. New Orleans tried to sue the gun manufacturers for gun related crimes there. I think the case was dismissed.

Nevertheless, lawsuits are expensive to defend, and that is the main strategy nowadays for anti-freedom people to take away our rights. Thankfully, through the efforts of the NRA, there are level headed people who are defending our rights. It's not only Second rights, but more recently First rights concerning Campaign Finance Reform, where Lieberman and McCain backed a bill saying no mention of a political candidate can be made 6 weeks prior to an election by special interest groups or organizations. Of course the media was not held to these standards. They could do as they please, giving millions of dollars of publicity to their choice of issues and candidates. They wanted to be completely one sided about the issue(s). I'm surprized no one has brought this up on these boards.

This bill was soundly defeated, but it gives you an idea of what the antis are trying to do, even going so far as compromising the First Amendment. You can thank the NRA for guarding that...I doubt the ACLU had anything to do with it.

Les

ET · « **Reply #21 on:** March 04, 2004, 04:39:40 AM »

Enough expensive lawsuits and gun makers will be getting out of the business. Even if the cases are thrown out. The sue them to death philosophy.
Next attack will be to keep raising the taxes on firearms to make them too expensive to buy. Ala cigarettes.
Behavior control by lawsuit and taxes. The liberal way.

Dowding · « **Reply #22 on:** March 04, 2004, 04:58:38 AM »

Attention, Attention. Your legal system is irrevocably screwed. I reccommend shooting a laywer a day until the madness ends.

Leslie · « **Reply #23 on:** March 04, 2004, 06:57:09 AM »

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Originally posted by ET
Enough expensive lawsuits and gun makers will be getting out of the business. Even if the cases are thrown out. The sue them to death philosophy.
Next attack will be to keep raising the taxes on firearms to make them too expensive to buy. Ala cigarettes.
Behavior control by lawsuit and taxes. The liberal way.

That tax would be used to underwrite firearm registration and later inspections. It has been suggested $100 tax on a box of rifle ammo, making a $20 box cost $120. An "arsenal tax" for more than 1000 rounds of ammo (could be 2 bricks of .22 for plinking.) And agreeing to unannounced inspections of your arsenal any time the ATF sees fit.

Don't know about you, but I don't feel comfortable with a system like that. I don't want middle of the night knocks on the door at random to inspect my "arsenal."

Les

lazs2 · « **Reply #24 on:** March 04, 2004, 08:18:48 AM »

froggie... where do you live that you can go in and just buy and walk out with a handgun with no background check?

dowding actually said somthing sensible and adult! good plan dowding but we need to declare war on em first and then offer bounties.

lazs

Dowding · « **Reply #25 on:** March 05, 2004, 01:29:30 AM »

I'm seeing a student lawyer at the moment and she hates the compensation culture as well, so she gets immunity.

2Slow · « **Reply #26 on:** March 07, 2004, 11:28:24 PM »

The founders gave us the 2nd amendment to prevent this tyrany!

Arsenal tax, inspections? 3am door knocks are not far behind. Heck, with the "Patriot" law, they can grab you in the middle of the night, and no one will know what happened to you. Does this sound familiar to anyone? ATF already behaves like a Gestopo. Ruby Ridge and Waco are good examples.

Registration, an infringment of the 2nd which Congress is forbidden to do, is just a tool for confiscation. The UK is a prime example.

lazs2 · « **Reply #27 on:** March 08, 2004, 08:31:12 AM »

what about australia? you don't suppose they used those regestration lists to help em confiscate peoples guns now do you?

lazs

2Slow · « **Reply #28 on:** March 08, 2004, 02:55:45 PM »

In fact, they did. The UK gun laws were enabled in the 1920's with the sole purpose of confiscation to prevent Marxist insurection.