For Lazs: 2003 Crime Stats

[GRUNHERZ]

You said texas....  But now, having been embarassed,
you have gone back and changed it and try to lie about it..

I guess NZ schools suck at both georgrapy and ethics...  

[Capt. Pork]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
You said texas....  But now, having been embarassed,
you have gone back and changed it and try to lie about it..

I guess NZ schools suck at both georgrapy and ethics...  

Yup, I was there. I saw it. He said Texas and now the post has been edited.

Personally, I don't even see why he bothers to open his mouth. LOTR got done filming a while ago and New Zealand, with all its sheep, couldn't even put together the world's finest bale of wool:

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But on a serious note, what the F are you blabbering about? A nation's land area is irrelevant in this study(especially when most of the land is reserved for sheep grazing). It's the population that makes the difference. 4 million VS 290 million. Los Angeles alone has subcities that would outnumber vast regions of your entire nation.

In America, we believe that the purpose of science is to serve mankind. You, however, seem to regard science as some kind of dodge or hustle. Your theories are the worst kind of popular tripe, your methods are sloppy and your conclusions are highly questionable. You, Dr. Venkman, are a poor scientist.

[Vulcan]

OK so I missed square km vs square miles (you guys have no sense of humour). Still, we aren't 'tiny'.

The point is, Lazs made a statement regarding crime and gun laws outside the USA, this refutes it.

BTW, LOTR work was still being done right up til Nov '03.... now they're starting on Kong.

[Capt. Pork]

Once again, you are tiny.  4 million residents qualifies you as just that. You're as good as 5 Delawares, if you go by the numbers. The fact that you live on a piece of land that's big only makes your comparison less significant, because violent crime is largely a factor of population density.

The fact that Hollywood is using your land to film movies only points to the fact that you're an inexpensive alternative as far as permits and Union regulations. They use Canada for the same reasons, which, btw, outnumers New Zealand 7 to 1.

[Excel1]

Originally posted by Capt. Pork
Once again, you are tiny.  4 million residents qualifies you as just that. You're as good as 5 Delawares, if you go by the numbers. The fact that you live on a piece of land that's big only makes your comparison less significant, because violent crime is largely a factor of population density.

The fact that Hollywood is using your land to film movies only points to the fact that you're an inexpensive alternative as far as permits and Union regulations. They use Canada for the same reasons, which, btw, outnumers New Zealand 7 to 1.

It must be painful to sit down with that slide ruler up your arse.

Excel

[Toad]

New Zealand crams a population equivalent to that of metropolitan Los Angeles into an area the size of Colorado?

Uh..... anyone noticed a link between population density and high crime?

[Dowding]

You mean, it's not a fair comparison? So comparing crime statistics to make a point about cause and effect in one region as opposed to another is null and void in this case?

Strange. I seem to remember some promoting of a certain report apparently showing that gun restrictions had no positive effect on crime rate not so long ago...

[Toad]

I remember it too... can you remember what was initially posted that drew the response?

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by Vulcan
For New Zealand, an overall drop, notice the drop in homocides, kind of shoots down your gun law theories for the rest of the world:


Homicides dropped from 122 to 104. There were 20 fewer murders – 46 last year compared with 66 in 2002.

Though crime rates are down in most of New Zealand, Wellington has recorded the biggest increase with house burglaries and thefts from cars skyrocketing.


Drugs and antisocial crimes rose 6.2 per cent, with Sale of Liquor Act offences soaring 138.4 per cent, from 1801 to 4293, primarily because of breaches of local liquor bans.

Wellington recorded the biggest increase of 4.8 per cent, with house burglaries jumping from 3201 in 2002 to 4126, a 28.9 per cent rise compared to a national average of 6.3 per cent.

Thefts from cars rose by 17.2 per cent, from 5387 to 6314. The national average was a drop of 0.8 per cent.

Wellington's district commander,

"When you take away violence and sexual offending, burglary is probably the most violating crime the public in general is likely to experience."

However, sexual offences almost doubled – from 191 in 2002 to 346 last year – while violent offending rose 11.1 per cent.

Police Commissioner Rob Robinson said he was concerned about the 1.5 per cent rise in violent crime, which included a 6.1 per cent rise in grievous assaults, but regarded the figures as a "tremendous result".

Here are the ones where crime rose - murder excepted.

[Dowding]

No idea. But I would guess it was Beetle and his battery of statistics.

Two wrongs certainly don't make a right. Flawed analysis on top of flawed analysis just makes for merry-go-round debates... hey, wait a minute...

Personally, I'd go with Michael Moore's observation (the only one worth keeping) in that there is something about America itself which has led to an elevated homicide rate. It's not the proliferation of guns itself, given how low gun crime rates are in countries with similarly lax gun control. I think that is the real issue, and it doesn't seem to be on many people's agenda. Both sides want to ignore it; one concentrates on blaming firearms, the other on the protection of firearm proliferation as a fundamental right.

[Toad]

Or even three wrongs.

Like there are no crime statistics/laws that can be used to investigate cause and effect in one region as opposed to another, especially when a large number of regions and laws are compared.

[Dowding]

I'd like to see this all encompassing, multi-variable, socio-economic study you're referring to. Otherwise, your approach is as simplistic as the 'guns = crime' argument used by some gun control proponents.

[Capt. Pork]

Originally posted by Excel1
It must be painful to sit down with that slide ruler up your arse.

Excel

You need a slide rule to divide 28 by 4?

[Naso]

I think Dowding has a point here.

And now this BBS will explode with another multi digit flame thread.

WHOOOSHHHH !!!!

[beet1e]

Originally posted by Vulcan
Does this mean the USA is just a collection of small states then?

Yes. The UK has repeatedly been described as a "tiny little island" on this board. It's actually a collection of islands - possibly two dozen different land masses - I haven't counted them all. But overall, these combine to make a land area about the size of Oregon, America's 10th largest state. So our "tiny little island" is therefore larger than about 40 US states. Therefore if our country is tiny and little, it follows that America is composed in prt of 40 tiny little states.