A question about HO's

[Sorrow[S=A]]

I too feel that LR gunnery is proably fairly close, it takes alot of ammo and is not that effective unless they are deadstraight. I however, am VERY happy to hear 20mm will get less effective at LR, I am getting VERY annoyed with the spits LR hispano good night kiss.

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If your in range, so is the enemy.

[TT]

 Leph. I probably overreacted. Im an old guy, and i was raised in a different time. We were taught to say what we mean. And to think long and hard before calling a man a lier.

 You posted that you were open to testing and suggestions. I suggest this.

 Go back and read a number of kieren,s posts. I have been reading them a long time. And although he at times holds very strong views. He manages to express them, without offending anyone.

 As a trainer, you are the face of HTC. And like it our not, you are not posting by the same rules as the rest of us anymore.

[MANDOBLE]

This last weekend I was TEN times "victim" of
the same effect TT describes. All the times
flying 190 or F4U against the SAME pilot
flying Spit. All the times I saw the Spit
disintegrating in front of me and then...
...I was just DEAD, not seriously damaged or
without wings... ...just dead. None of the
times I got a single kill award.

[Vermillion]

I think many people are confusing a HO (Head On) with a Front Quarter shot. And unfortunately many of these people came from AW, which teaches you bad habits.

In AW, the basic defense against BnZ attacks is to pull your nose up into the enemy's attack, which brings into play the "forward cone of invulnerability". No kidding. In AW, the server throws out 99% of the hits fired if they come from the front quarter.

Being a BnZ pilot I can tell you that I avoid HO's religiously. But if you pull your nose up to me during an attack pass, you better believe I am going to take the shot.

Long range gunnery? Only useful against non-manuvering targets, then only marginally. All it takes is to use a very light 1 G turn in your extension and its almost impossible to get hit beyond 600 to 700 yards.

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure,
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"

[Dingy]

Verm is absolutely right here.  AW does teach bad habits and having been raised in AW I was once one of the most adamant complainers about the lethality of HOs.

Now, I am one of the biggest proponents of HO avoidance.  On a coalt merge, I NEVER (I mean NEVER NEVER NEVER) go for a HO but rather try to avoid them.  And usually it works allowing me to gracefully convert into my real merge move.

This does not mean that you should never go for a front quarter shot....quite the contrary.  I find that one of my bread and butter moves is to try to get a slower plane to follow me up during my zoom right after my boom and wait until he begins to flounder underneath me before I flip over and take a head shot.  If I mistime it, or underestimate the enemies energy or aim, I can get a faceful of lead as I swoop back down but hey, thats to be expected.  I made a mistake I died by it.

-Ding

[Jase]

Verm said, "And unfortunately many of these people came from AW, which teaches you bad habits".

Hmm, Well I think DMF and myself would disagree with you here Verm.  Our experience from AW has not hurt our ability to fly in AH  I am under no illusions that the hit model is going to change here
.  Hitech has made that clear, and I respect his decision.  I am by training not a HO taker, but the hit model here forces one to take the shot if it is availiable.  In my spit to spit training with people here in AH we have solved the HO problem quite simply.  Disable cannons and just use 303's.  It makes for a great turn fight where extended ACM's really come into play.  I recommend it to anyone tired of training with spits just to have it end with one quick immel and lucky HO shot.  I wonder what other bad habits AW taught me?  



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+Jase ^Nomads^ AH
Fly-Nomadic
"To Everything Turn..Turn..Turn"

[Vermillion]

Jase, I was only speaking from my own AW experience (early AW4W thru today, most of it Full Realism). It was in no way meant as an insult to the guys coming from AW.

But I remember when I started flying WB's, along with AW. I had to "unlearn" many things, the hardest being how to avoid front quarter attacks.

Just my experience  

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure,
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"