Author Topic: What the "Good Guys" do..? (Read 1621 times)

rv6 · « **on:** March 10, 2004, 06:17:40 AM »

Hi All..
I've been in online sims since GEnie AW. Find there are (basically)4 types of fighter pilots;

#5-The New Guy, played a few hrs of MSFS, and wants to try an online sim on Sat mornings only.

#4-The guy that can survive & thinks he's pretty good, by flying a 30k 190 or P51, and picking off stragglers.. Flys probably 6 or 8 hrs a week.

#3-The guy who's willing to try diff planes, get low & slow & tangle a bit.. knows a handful of fairly workable "moves".. plays 15 or so hrs a wk.

#2-Guy's been around for a long time. Call sign is fairly well known. Knows a whole bunch of good moves. If he attacks from an alt advantage, he's gonna' get ya' 9 outa 10, no matter what the odds are. 1st stage "addicted" to AH,, plays countless hr weekly and any "down" moment he/she can sneak away from family obligation.

#1-THE REALLY GOOD GUYS. (only a handful)They live online. Against anyone in classes #5 ~ #2 above, they are invincible. They are SO good that sometimes we (the #2 ~ #3 guys) swear that they're using hacked code..

For instance:

One time, I'm power diving and scooting back to base at nearly 400 kts.. actually pulling away from a pair of La7's in tow!

Dead ahead, coming from my base at eyelevel co-alt is an nme P51.. we pass wing to wing both doing 400 kts in opposite directions..

I look in rearview to monitor the La's,, and I'll be dipped in *****.. That P51, does a hairpin 180 turn, I do mean HAIRPIN! You see the tail in one breath, then the nose in the next..

He catches the 2 La7's,, PASSES THEM,, and in a blink, he's 300d' off my tail and shoots me down in a single burst..

I had to mention this on CH1, and the fellow gave some lame excuse as to "what really happened". Then he logged off when everyone on CH1 agreed, and were turning their gun-cams on for proof to send to HiTech.. (ha! he logged off!)

Other than this one fellow (un-named), the rest are truly great, great flyers!

They seem to consistenly have this one "move" that just slays me! (literally) I'm hoping that someone may have a gun-cam of this? Would love to learn it.

Goes like this; (me in NIK, w/ huge alt adv over this measly little F6F scooting along over the water on the deck,, all by himself)

No where for him to run, no buddys in site.. he just egressed from a furball battle, little or no ammo.. and I'm in a fresh 900 rnd 25% fuel NIK!

Start the dive,, 2,000d, 1,500d, at 1,000d he does this classic nose up & over & under turn, which spoils my dive, ruins my shot angle, and if I try to turn with him at my speed, I slam the water..

So.. I pull up for another pass,, look out rearview and SOB! He's RIGHT THERE! Guns blazing!

He hangs with me, going up! (where/how in hell did he get that E after a hard 180 turn to still climb??)

Finally.. he drops off, nose down..

I hammerhead down for another go,, he has to be bled off completely (no E at all)..

But NOOOoooo~ There goes the classic "curl around & under" turn,, spoils my run, and this time I climb up again in a completely odd angle..

Look in rearview.. THERE HE IS FIRING AWAY AND STINGING ME!

2 or 3 more of these and I finally chop power on a dive, to hang with him on the water.. He has STILL got enough E to scissor the pi$$ outa' me, and shoots me down like a dog in the streets.. :-D

It was a fellow named "Greebo" in an F6f. Unbelievable.

Same deal with a low, slow P47 weeks before. The pilot did that classic "curl around & under" move, then that big heavy Jug turns on a dime and is climbing right up my behind firing! Over & over & over.. never looses all his E,, never runs outta' ammo, and regardless of my zoom angle up,, he RIGHT ON ME!

This was a fellow named; "Shane" in a P47.

I'd love to learn how this move is done.. It's unbeatable. Anyone have a film that you could e-mail me?

Thanks much,

RV6 ~

Wolfala · « **Reply #1 on:** March 10, 2004, 06:44:40 AM »

Now thats how you gripe gentlemen!

~~Wolf~~

SLO · « **Reply #2 on:** March 10, 2004, 07:28:09 AM »

its called an overshoot RV6:D

RedDg · « **Reply #3 on:** March 10, 2004, 07:45:59 AM »

I've seen Drex do the same thing on the deck in his Hellcat

Shane · « **Reply #4 on:** March 10, 2004, 08:00:30 AM »

here's a very good example of what's being done.

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=111083

i'll dig around in films and see if i can come up with another one.

also if you ask me, i'll gladly take you into the DA and let you bounce me to show you how it's done. most of the time the move results in a snapshot opportunity before your e advantage lets you escape... but.... you have to be committed to making that escape because any loss of e from hesitating or pulling up too hard into the zoom, will only keep you in guns range. with .50's that danger zone extends to around 650 yds.

ygsmilo · « **Reply #5 on:** March 10, 2004, 08:09:59 AM »

You have been "Drexed"

Dowding · « **Reply #6 on:** March 10, 2004, 08:14:16 AM »

I was under the impression alot of the really good players actually spend little time playing, having picked up their skills years ago.

Shane · « **Reply #7 on:** March 10, 2004, 08:22:50 AM »

here are 2 films showing the move(s)... one is similar to WT's in the overshoot from a bounce.

the second film (film21) shows it as well, and with the last encounter with the 109 you see the "180" move.

http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/150_1078928382_films.zip

dowding, you're mostly right, except some play more than others still.

rv6 · « **Reply #8 on:** March 10, 2004, 08:47:20 AM »

Thanks Shane.. Have got the films. Will watch 'em tonight. Appreciate the offer to DA and let me "bounce you" a few times,, that's what i was actually hoping for, but somewhat embarassed to ask one of you "#1" guys..

:-)

RV6

Shane · « **Reply #9 on:** March 10, 2004, 08:57:18 AM »

another thing about the good guys is that they're usually more than willing to help you learn what they do. unless they're on so infequently that they cherish their "play time" - but even then they're often willing to post films and explain.

i just wish more people stuck on a plateau would ask. i'm always willing to allow people to join my plane - but have surprisngly only been asked very few times. and of course i do take time to show people things in the DA.

here's 2 more:

http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/150_1078930948_film15.zip

http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/150_1078931250_film25.zip

gofaster · « **Reply #10 on:** March 10, 2004, 09:18:23 AM »

Haven't seen the films but I'm guessing it involves a high-g nose-low turn, then WEP on nose-up, nudging the rudder to keep it steady if necessary.

Its a move that's been around since Air Warrior 1.5, maybe even longer. Used to be done a lot more before the black-out effect was introduced to flight sims.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #11 on:** March 10, 2004, 09:47:23 AM »

I've had that happen to me too funny thing is its not always an immediate snapshot. I've seen em do a hairpin about face then chace me down from sometimes 900+ yards like Im standing still
with me doing 400 mph.

Have seen some much weirder things lately.
Kind of things that make you stop and go "hmmmmm"

I Dive on a feild in a tiffy fullthrottle there is a NIK upping I miss him and go virtical using Wep. the nik gets airborne and literally right off the runway catches up and out grabs me in like 15 seconds. going almost comlpletely vertical right off the end of the runway. Now I've flown NIKs ALOT. and no way can I do that. ad its not like I pulled hard on my stick and blew all my E either cause I didnt.

another instance Im in a Yak chasing a 38 we fight and I ping him. I see the 38 in a flat spin headed down then all of a sudden it vanishes! I mean completely dissapears!
I turn and there is the 38 now higher then me and running away. at 2K So I chase him again. he turns and comes at me with an attempted HO shot I break right and do a hard about face to where he should be. but isnt. instead there he is again running and again higher then me and 5.5K out. Now keep in mind this happened in no more then 3-4 seconds tops, we went from being about 10 feet apart to 5.5 K apart. in LESS then 4 seconds.
And no there were no other enemy aircraft int he area or even in the same sector.
I never did catch him and reupped several times with Cam on to try to find him again so I could film it. Never did see him again.

dunno about the rest of you and I really hate to say it but there are some thigns I've seen lately that remind me an auful lot of the speed hack that was goin on in AW for a while.
Now maybe there is something going on, and maybe there isnt.
It just seems that lately over the last few months or so I've been seeing more and more things that make ya kinda go "hmmmmm"

WilldCrd · « **Reply #12 on:** March 10, 2004, 09:56:14 AM »

i aint saying nothing more bout it...sorry fergot and wasnt thinking

WilldCrd · « **Reply #13 on:** March 10, 2004, 10:03:07 AM »

Shane · « **Reply #14 on:** March 10, 2004, 10:10:05 AM »

can u two goofs remove those posts and put 'em under a new subject?

i'm not gonna like it when ht or skuzzy locks a potentially helpful thread.