AH vs WB3 a question?

[Fangio]

I have been flying AH a little, while remaining a dedicated WB flyer. I freely admit (and post on AGW) that to me AH simply blows WB2.77 and WB3 (in its current beta state) away. AH is light years ahead in tons of critical details:  engine, propeller graphic, tracers, hit sprites (dirt, water and API rounds exploding.. VERY cool) and the view system. I also think the AH FM is way ahead... particularly the relative plane performance. The Dora in WB is a pig... in AH she has all of her historical sweetness intact.

The problem is that I could care less about flying for a fantasy country and fighting against like aircraft. I am into historical matchups.  Luftwaffe vs RAF / USAAF. The AH Open arena 3 sided free for all totally turns me off, and I know that is a key factor for tons of current WB flyers. It also seems that an RPS based WWII arena in AH simply is not possible because of the limited planeset. Also,  in WB all the flying I do is pretty much just practice for the S3 events. The S3's are simply the most immersive, realistic, gut wrenching, nail biting online flying I have ever experienced. The level of organization and competitivness is just amazing. AH does not offer this.

So I am stuck. I want to fly the best sim, but the best dont offer the kind of flying I like to do.

My question:   Does AH ever plan on offering a full RPS WWII Arena?  Does AH ever plan on putting together S3 type events? (I know about the check 6 events... but they are more comperable to the SL's in WB. The S3 events are in another league...)

The current AH, despite is clear superiority as a sim, cannot entice my squad from WB due to these reasons. ARe there any plans for the AH focus to evolve, change or grow in this direction? I would seem to me that from a marketing perspective, AH would want to bring on board as many WB pilots as possible but not putting together a product offering aimed at that target market makes me question the AH marketing goal?

Fang
JG26

[Skybax]

Some good points Fang, and some bad ones too.

Much of which is expected. WB2 engine is old, AH1 engine is much newer, WBIII engine state of the art. It`s called technology progress.

FM`s are very close, and in WBIII practicly identical. How the AH FM is "way ahead" is new to me. Maybe you could share with us this "new info" you have on the FM`s.

There is the "feel factor" & "IMO factor"

Big difference between describing what you like, and what is actually modeled.

I will be the first to give each sim credit where deserved. AH has some very nice features, and many things over WB currently, but WB has it`s things over AH as well.

Saying AH blows away WBIII (even in it`s current state) is not an accurate statement. There are soooo many things in WBIII that AH can`t even get close to. And never will with it`s current engine.

As far as current comparisons with WB 2.77:

 http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum1/HTML/009821.html

WB & AH / Pros & Cons

Both good, both have their warts, and both offer different things..... just depends on what your looking for.

It would seem that AH currently has what`s more important to you.


[This message has been edited by Skybax (edited 05-29-2001).]

[chisel]

Heres a man that doesnt burn bridges  

[Vulcan]

Fang sounds like the S3s are similar to the Hostile Shores and Afrika Korps scenarios that have been held in AH.

They're still few and far between for my liking, but they are worth hanging round for.

[Westy MOL]

 OK!

Anyone mind if I add my two cen_________

[This message has been edited by Cod Almighty and account vaporised by HTC (edited 05-28-2001).]

[Ripsnort]

Fang, its just a matter of time before we have more options in AH...for now, we have to wait until the planesets fill out.

Meanwhile, we have Snap Shots, Check Six events with historical terrain coming (some like Check Six have already used Med terrain and Norway terrain) as well as our big scenarios, we just finished a 4-week event called Hostile Shores.

[fd ski]

 

Originally posted by Fangio:

Does AH ever plan on putting together S3 type events? (I know about the check 6 events... but they are more comperable to the SL's in WB. The S3 events are in another league...)

I'm already working on it.
Hopefully in not so far away future.


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aka. Wing Commander fd-ski
Northolt Wing
1st Polish Fighter Wing
303 (Polish) Squadron "Kosciuszko" RAF
308 (Polish) Squadron "City of Cracow" RAF
315 (Polish) Squadron "City of Deblin" RAF

Turning 109s and 190s into scrap metal since 1998

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[lazs]

fang... most of the guys who left WB for here left because of the dreary "axis vs allied" planeset and all the same/same boredom of such a set.   I have no interest in pretending that I am a WWII pilot or pretending that I am in some way "recreating" history.  No one flew finger fours or at 20+ K in WB and there were no historic fights that I ever seen anyway.  Maybe a microcosm where some planes in WWII had worked their way down and lost their squad/wingman but....  Allied vs axis is a huge price to pay for the chance that you may in some way "relive" WWII in some small way on rare occassions.

I can however see why LW guys want "historic" planesets as their planes do so poorly against a set with any variety.  
lazs

[Vermillion]

What Lazs said !!

In fact the two things I hate MOST about WB's currenty is the RPS and Axis vs Allied Arena.

I hope that AH does not go down that path.

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure

[Tuomio]

Skybax, theres lots of different aspects in engines. WB3:s graphic engine is well ahead the AH, but so are its system requirements. The FM is whole different system and even if WB3 has something special in their FM (which i dont believe), it doesent mean, that its currently in use or accurate.

I cant see, how the MOL could make accurate FM to their every plane from the huge planeset. And how they could update the FM:s in lots of planes as the bugs are reported?
The dora being a flying pig sound like that theyre just copy&pasted the earlier 190 FM:s to Dora with just minor changes like engine HP and stuff like that, which can be found from books.

The HTC has incredible customer support and it really keeps up with the community. Every whine and every notice seems to count. We got bucketloads of minor bugfixes/changes just to the interface so annoying donts and cants dont be there forever. Thats something that will keep my 30$ for HTC, as i can expect, that every update brings fresh aspects for this game.
MOL reputation is bad and i dont trust a company, that has bad reputation, simple as that.

[Ripsnort]

 

Originally posted by Tuomio:

The HTC has incredible customer support and it really keeps up with the community. Every whine and every notice seems to count. We got bucketloads of minor bugfixes/changes just to the interface so annoying donts and cants dont be there forever. Thats something that will keep my 30$ for HTC, as i can expect, that every update brings fresh aspects for this game.
MOL reputation is bad and i dont trust a company, that has bad reputation, simple as that.

Clear winner is HTC in this dept.  This last version had about 90% of its code that appeared in the BBS as 'Customer requests'.

[Pup]

Actually, no offense to the afrika korps eventts etc..but I do not think they are in the same league as the S3s....S3s are organized by players for players, with SET squads who are invited into them, so its squad based really, without ANY walk-ons, so its totally organized and reliant on squads to balance and to fly their planes. so you get feirce competition and fights with people who KNOW that plane, thats a major difference between community events and S3s. But I totally agree, I fly WBs and AH just is awesome, planeset is coming a long nicely so I won't comment on that( I mean WBs has been around longer for more planes, does need some earlier planes  . But to me and many other players in both games, AH flight model seems a lot more "realistic" it just has that correct feel, even if it does seem easier to fly then Warbirds. Oh well..I too hope that part of AH moves towards a more historic aspect but doesn't lose that Main Arena part.

Pup out

[Wlfgng]

I tried WBIII beta...

looks pretty but the same old FM and gunnery ...

tiring.  

Promises are one thing....

Deliver the goods and then maybe I'll be impressed.

[Maniac]

Fang,

HT has said that he have no interest in making an Axis vs Allies arena.

Regards.

[Ripsnort]

You guys do know that the United States Air Force Academy is using Aces High as a training tool for basic ACM and BFM for their students right? That says alot about the quality of this flight sim!