Author Topic: Funked:New WRX in the neighborhood (Read 6866 times)

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #225 on:** March 19, 2004, 04:37:01 PM »

Designed by Lotus. Best production V-8 in American history and it's Limey.

lazs2 · « **Reply #226 on:** March 19, 2004, 04:54:04 PM »

hehe... not quite funkyboy... it was designed by GM's lotus division to GM specs and refined by in house GM engineers using all GM parts including GM fuel injection. It was hand assembled by Mercury. GM's Lotus division never built a motor like it. the one they designed was not the same as the end product. This is according to the Promo literature I have from back then and the Car and Driver article "The Vette From Hell"

I had heard that GM lost money on every one they sold. Hand blueprinting is expensive but the motors probly gained 40 hp from it and a lot of reliability... They are getting allmost equal performance out of pushrod engines these days with less complexity and engine bay cramping but.... I sure woulda loved to seen em continue with the ZR1 concept engine.

lazs

Wlfgng · « **Reply #227 on:** March 19, 2004, 04:58:14 PM »

GTO.. ahh.. a Goat w/350hp.. life begins right around there

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #228 on:** March 19, 2004, 05:03:42 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
I sure woulda loved to seen em continue with the ZR1 concept engine.

lazs

The best DOHC street cars with variable valve timing are getting 120 bhp/liter these days. I figure even GM could probably do 90 bhp/liter if they tried using technology. That would put them over 500 bhp with a 350. It's a shame.

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #229 on:** March 19, 2004, 05:07:03 PM »

Wlf
The Engine maker said it was 400, and 500 foots pounds but it never felt like it to me.

It was a DAMN fast car, and that Tranny made it even better, but I didnt want to brag without proof, lol I never dynoed it.

Stock 400s from 68 put out 350, and mine was not stock. Still..... good old days.

Wlfgng · « **Reply #230 on:** March 19, 2004, 05:11:51 PM »

I hear that.
I got to drive (for a few blocks only) a street-legal INDY pace car.. I mean the CART pace car. It was a T-bird with 500 hp...
I'm still cleaning up after myself after that.

... drool.

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #231 on:** March 19, 2004, 05:21:15 PM »

LOL nice.

Strangley I miss the nasty primered Six Speed goat, and do not mis the nice looking mostly restored one at all.

lazs2 · « **Reply #232 on:** March 19, 2004, 05:22:24 PM »

funky... they can get 500 hp from pushrod engines..

What is going on is that the cammers take up a lot of engine bay. Ford built a SOC 428 or 9 way back when but it was huge. Ran like stink and was banned from NASCAR and super stock drags..

today... From what I have read... things that need 350 cubic inches (and the flat torque curve that goes with that) don't like the DOC heads taking up all that room... the cost in HP of using pushrods with modern variable timing and roller cams and fuel injection is slight... it simply isn't worth the effort and expense to build big motors with double overhead cams. Not right now anyway.

Things like the Hemi have made a comeback in.... pickups. Where they have huge engine bays.

lazs

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #233 on:** March 19, 2004, 05:36:10 PM »

So laz you going to rebuilt the six speed yourself?

I would not be brave enough, but thats just me...hheh

Munkii · « **Reply #234 on:** March 19, 2004, 06:21:34 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
funky... they can get 500 hp from pushrod engines..

What is going on is that the cammers take up a lot of engine bay. Ford built a SOC 428 or 9 way back when but it was huge. Ran like stink and was banned from NASCAR and super stock drags..

today... From what I have read... things that need 350 cubic inches (and the flat torque curve that goes with that) don't like the DOC heads taking up all that room... the cost in HP of using pushrods with modern variable timing and roller cams and fuel injection is slight... it simply isn't worth the effort and expense to build big motors with double overhead cams. Not right now anyway.

Things like the Hemi have made a comeback in.... pickups. Where they have huge engine bays.

lazs

Exactly, take the 5.0 Mustang motor and the 4.6 Modular motor in the new stangs. The 4.6 liter has the exterior space of a 427, but the 5.0 was the same size as it had always been. The 5.0 is also indestructable, and the 89-92's came with forged pistons and rods from the factory. You can pick up a 89-92, throw some lower compression heads on it and a SC or small Turbo, a 100shot of NO2 and have a 12 sec car for less than 4k in parts and about 3grand in the car.

If GM were to switch to OHC engines they could get more horsepower/torque than the current engines, but the R&D and Manufacturing costs would far outweigh the neglible increase in performance.

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #235 on:** March 19, 2004, 07:43:15 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
funky... they can get 500 hp from pushrod engines..

"can" does not equal "are". They have not shown they can even get close to 100 bhp/liter without a blower. We are talking production engines that will run for 200k miles here, not race engines or lab experiments or tuner projects.

Mark Luper · « **Reply #236 on:** March 19, 2004, 07:44:58 PM »

We need a version of Hello Dolly with a WRX in it. Might make it something interesting to watch....

Yeah, I am about half looped

Not totaly, I can still type...

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #237 on:** March 19, 2004, 07:46:01 PM »

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Originally posted by Mark Luper
We need a version of Hello Dolly with a WRX in it. Might make it something interesting to watch....

Yeah, I am about half looped

Not totaly, I can still type...

lol Mark

I don't think we've talked about WRX for the last 3 or 4 pages.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #238 on:** March 19, 2004, 08:31:35 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
funky... they can get 500 hp from pushrod engines..

What is going on is that the cammers take up a lot of engine bay. Ford built a SOC 428 or 9 way back when but it was huge. Ran like stink and was banned from NASCAR and super stock drags..

It was a 427 and it was initially released in 1963. The 63 and 64 Galaxy 500XL could be special ordered with that engine. It was a scary.

Raubvogel · « **Reply #239 on:** March 19, 2004, 09:02:58 PM »

When I manage to kill the engine in my car now, this is my project: http://www.v8miata.com