If AH Were More Realistic ....

[slimm50]

Originally posted by MoRphEuS
Sad but true. I think alot of times people just hop into the game for a quick flight and then jump out and go about their daily lives.

Well, sure...I know that's what I do most of the time. I mean, for many of us this is just an interesting "game"...aggghhhh, I said the "G" word!!!! Sad, but true.

[Hap]

Originally posted by Angus
What one can perhaps do with a medium bomber, one can do better with a jabo, so there's a point.
Take hangar killing for instance, 2x110's can kill around 4 hangars, mostly with rockets and cannons.
 

yup angus, you're right.  as things are now, buff role largely cosmetic except for hq.

[hogenbor]

Let's see, I've got a 'normal' 9 to 5 job with a moderate amount of stress (manager of a small software test team). No wife, no kids, only a cat. Busy amateur concert photographer, costs a few nights per month and a LOT of sleep (of which a need a lot). Have to wrestle through congested Dutch traffic, have to prepare a meal, feed the cat, pay the bills, answer the mail. Result is that I'm TIRED at about 20:00hr. Have about an hour to get myself shot down, if I feel I can pull the concentration together to play.

Will I up a bomber to struggle to altitude and to screw up calibration and to miss my target which makes no difference to my experience of the game?

No.

I have sunk CV's and killed HQ's with level bombing even flew a Stuka mission with my squad once. But it's boring, plain boring and no gratification at all. Flying a dedicated bomber sortie on which hinges a mission, together with friends and squaddies, that would be a different experience. But where to find that in the MA?

So I'll up my little green P-51B, climb to 17.000 feet, fly all alone all the time and go looking for trouble in the sparse time I fly this wonderful game.

[lazs2]

yep we need to make the game more attractive for the fluffs because we don't attract enough women players and guys who don't own joysticks.

I think fluffs should have zero effect on the game.  The bombs should only make explosions and noise but no damage.   The only use for fluffs should be to fight with other fluffs... they could shoot each other down.

lazs

[slimm50]

Originally posted by hogenbor
Let's see, I've got a 'normal' 9 to 5 job with a moderate amount of stress (manager of a small software test team). No wife, no kids, only a cat. Busy amateur concert photographer, costs a few nights per month and a LOT of sleep (of which a need a lot). Have to wrestle through congested Dutch traffic, have to prepare a meal, feed the cat, pay the bills, answer the mail. Result is that I'm TIRED at about 20:00hr. Have about an hour to get myself shot down, if I feel I can pull the concentration together to play.

Will I up a bomber to struggle to altitude and to screw up calibration and to miss my target which makes no difference to my experience of the game?

No.

I have sunk CV's and killed HQ's with level bombing even flew a Stuka mission with my squad once. But it's boring, plain boring and no gratification at all. Flying a dedicated bomber sortie on which hinges a mission, together with friends and squaddies, that would be a different experience. But where to find that in the MA?

So I'll up my little green P-51B, climb to 17.000 feet, fly all alone all the time and go looking for trouble in the sparse time I fly this wonderful game.

There ya go!:D

[lazs2]

hogenboor... by "makeing a difference" do you mean that you would  do the boring task if.....

 the reward were that you could destroy the AH experiance for dozens of other players who had just as busy a day as you had?

Or maybe you just want them to log on and be blind and resourceless when they log on?  

Why should your boring experiance have a huge effect on dozens of people who would just as soon be able to ignore you?

lazs

[Toad]

.........everyone posting in this thread would have been worm food a long time ago.

Realism? You don't want realism!

[Overlag]

Originally posted by lazs2
hogenboor... by "makeing a difference" do you mean that you would  do the boring task if.....

 the reward were that you could destroy the AH experiance for dozens of other players who had just as busy a day as you had?

lazs

seems resonable to me....since you "furballers" keep spoiling my fun

i love your constant arguement that buffs spoil your fun

STOP them then

[mars01]

AH seems lately to have turned into a furball only arena.....

What a joke, either you have no clue what a furball is or you are flying a completely different game.


Notice no one ever posts a thread about how to make this a better Air Combat game.  Probably because very few are concerned or want to engage in Air Combat.

This game has become an over glorified Strat game with people that run rather than engage.  People that would rather suicide strat rather than fight another plane and die.

I think the time has come for a two country, no strat Air Combat Arena.  The feeble can go to the current MA and bomb till they drop.  Kill Comm, Fuel and anything that isnt tied down so when they log on all the get to do is sit in the tower.  

The rest that want to fly and compete in Air Combat can do so without the plague of weeners.

[vorticon]

" I think the time has come for a two country, no strat Air Combat Arena."

hmm...isnt there a FFA area in the dueling arena?


"the reward were that you could destroy the AH experiance for dozens of other players who had just as busy a day as you had?"

so to stop it you propose they completly remove the strat thus killing the AH experience that as mars has pointed out a large majority of players seem to have?

[vorticon]

oh yes and all this thread needs is beet1e and it can turn into a standard 9 page furball vs. strat montrosity...


*breaks out some vodka and a lawn chair*


then again whats the point...the accusations and arguments are going to be the same as they have been every 2 weeks for the past 2 years

[Overlag]

Originally posted by mars01
What a joke, either you have no clue what a furball is or you are flying a completely different game.


Notice no one ever posts a thread about how to make this a better Air Combat game.  Probably because very few are concerned or want to engage in Air Combat.

This game has become an over glorified Strat game with people that run rather than engage.  People that would rather suicide strat rather than fight another plane and die.

I pork fuel at bases if its part of the attack plan... i dont plan to die, but normaly lazer ack or 0-300niks finish me off before im 1k from the base.

But it also pisses me off that people pork the fuel even if we told them NOT to (ie we need the base)

The game is over glorified strat? HUH? strat targets cause VERY little difference in "your" game. Im talking factories.......

..... maybe all fuel barracks etc at bases should be removed, and all strat factories grouped away from the lines. The strat factories then dictate what fuel you have.... This will stop suicide porkers at bases as they have to fly through 100s of miles of enermy airspace, and will increase the bombers role... dont you think?

Originally posted by mars01

I think the time has come for a two country, no strat Air Combat Arena.  The feeble can go to the current MA and bomb till they drop.  .

DA my friend

[Hap]

can you imagine the germans or japanese complaing that their base and manufacturing resources have been destroyed?

[mars01]

The DA is not a dedicated Furball arena - it is a Dueling Arena.

There are three country options which clouds the issue.  

When the ground pounders cry about too much furballing I could say fly off line.  But that would be as absurd as saying the DA is a furball arena.

And what do you guys care if there were an Air Combat arena with no strat model, just Air to Air combat?  You still get to drop all the bombs you want in the Strat MA.

can you imagine the germans or japanese complaing that their base and manufacturing resources have been destroyed?

Yeah because they were palying a game.  Cmon Hap when you try and compare this to a real life war you don't even come close.  When you try to compare this to a realistic sim, it doesn't come close - fly IL2 if you dont agree, it makes AH look like it is using 20 year old technology and graphics.  Also my bet is that AHII will not be able to touch the level of detail as well, but since it is still in beta I will refrain from judgement till it is released.

The people that fought WWII did it for one reason to end the war.  That is not the goal here, it is to provide entertainment for all.  Your entertainment comes from bombing stuff and reducing your enemies ability to fight back.  My entertainment is to up and engage in Air to Air Combat.  The two are completely different.  While furballing does not take away from Strat pounding, strat does take away from furballing.

The game is over glorified strat? HUH? strat targets cause VERY little difference in "your" game. Im talking factories.......

Sorry, I'm talking base strat.  Makes all the difference in "my" game.  To me strat is strat.  If you can blow it up on the ground and it needs to be resupplied it is strat.

oh yes and all this thread needs is beet1e and it can turn into a standard 9 page furball vs. strat montrosity...

Well, until HTC realizes there are two distinct groups in the community that want to play two distinctly seperate games and that both sides are unhappy with the one size fits all approach, you better get comfortable in your lawn chair and order a whole lotta vodka.

[NoBaddy]

Originally posted by Hap
no doubt about the targets you listed.  so courriers then could not bring instructions as easily as they once had?  were not radio/phone communications also disrupted and damaged as they were on d-day beyond june of '44?

Telephone? Yes, but the partisans did more damage to the phones than strategic bombing did. Radio? How? The only possible way would be jamming and that would have nothing to do with bombing a target.