Author Topic: If AH Were More Realistic .... (Read 3245 times)

Overlag · « **Reply #45 on:** March 16, 2004, 07:16:12 PM »

seems alot of people are talking about different problems and all blaming strat flyers.......

...its not hard to up a g10, temp, 262 or a 163 to kill all 3 buffs and surely thats a good thing, because its more kills for you people that seem to rank kills higher than taking bases..........

Overlag · « **Reply #46 on:** March 16, 2004, 09:12:11 PM »

maybe HT can try it for a month with reduced build time for fuel ammo and barracks (ok maybe not barracks).

how about just 15minutes like hangers?

(note, i had 3 hours spoiled due to suicide porkers.......)

lazs2 · « **Reply #47 on:** March 17, 2004, 08:52:28 AM »

overlag... I would be interested in just how you feel that the furballers ruin the game for you? They can have no effect on the way you play short of shooting you down from a dissadvantaged position (lower than you with less e and in slower planes).

What can a furballer do to ruin the game for dozens of mouse weilding strat girls? Your only fun is killing toolsheds and gas cans, how can a furballer ruin that for dozens of your ilk?

I mean, mostly we don't even try since the strat girls are such little fun to fight when you do catch em but... even if you do you can only kill em one at a time.

lazs

Overlag · « **Reply #48 on:** March 17, 2004, 09:53:12 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
overlag... I would be interested in just how you feel that the furballers ruin the game for you? They can have no effect on the way you play short of shooting you down from a dissadvantaged position (lower than you with less e and in slower planes).

What can a furballer do to ruin the game for dozens of mouse weilding strat girls? Your only fun is killing toolsheds and gas cans, how can a furballer ruin that for dozens of your ilk?

I mean, mostly we don't even try since the strat girls are such little fun to fight when you do catch em but... even if you do you can only kill em one at a time.

lazs

did i say you ruin the game? infact you make it easyer since you are all low down not killing bombers......

i dont have fun killing tool sheds, I have fun trying to shoot down interceptors of my bomb runs. Bombing doesnt really matter to me, since strat (factorys) cause very little differience in this game. Level bombing is great, if you below 8k dweebs decide to come up a fight.

i have fun taking bases.... i dont think furballers ruin my game. infact i injoy the odd furball, as long as its helpful to taking a base........

everyone is different, just because they dont like (or prefer not to) fly under 8k twisting around in nikis, spits or la7s dont make them girls... furballers are more girly for not engaging bombers, and then whining at the results of the dar going out.........

Now, suicide porkers RUIN the game, thats 1 thing i agree on, its far to easy to kill a bases fuel for 30-45minutes, which is far to long in most cases........

lets see how you turn this around to make me say its your fault again.......

lazs2 · « **Reply #49 on:** March 17, 2004, 09:59:40 AM »

"seems resonable to me....since you "furballers" keep spoiling my fun "

I am just going by what you said in the avbove and want to know how the furballers spoil your fun and how it matters what their motive is.

Why would furballers engage fluffs since the fluffs are so phony and Ai? Much more fun to engage another fighter... not here to work or please you... here to have fun.

lazs

Overlag · « **Reply #50 on:** March 17, 2004, 10:08:42 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
"seems resonable to me....since you "furballers" keep spoiling my fun "

I am just going by what you said in the avbove and want to know how the furballers spoil your fun and how it matters what their motive is.

Why would furballers engage fluffs since the fluffs are so phony and Ai? Much more fun to engage another fighter... not here to work or please you... here to have fun.

lazs

lol I used that line was used because people was saying strat guys spoil furballers fun....... maybe i should have put a roll eyes in there

how does a strat guy spoil a furballers fun? bombing strat causes VERY little damage which is a shame, unless its Dar. Most furballers dont need dar.

now suicide porkers (which alot of you call strat guys for some reason) are girls and should be stoped somehow......

Overlag · « **Reply #51 on:** March 17, 2004, 10:26:01 AM »

oh, and tell me laz... its a game, where your supposed to have fun right?

what is fun? Does everyone find the same thing fun? To me this game was supposed to be realistic (within the fun bounderies).

isnt the idea of this game to take bases? and finish off the other side(s)?

just because people have fun flying bombers doesnt give you the right to take the piss out of them, we dont take the piss out of you, we dont spoil your fun, and you dont spoil our fun.

this is how i get the fun out of this game

1: CV ops vs Land or other CV's, the struggle to sink each other is great + the mess it causes in the sky

this turns into a "good furball" does it not???

1b: sinking PT's after we won.... or becoming PT's and trying to kill some planes if we lost

2: attacking bases with the mind of taking them (with fighters or GVS)

3: Intercepting of bombers or IB cons attacking Strat or fields...

4: bombing strat and taking out enermy fighters. Climb out is normaly when im busy with something like reading this trash

or watching tv

(notice that bombing is 4th on my list.......)

also notice that i like every aspect of this game, i dont want to stop any part of it, its just annoying seeing alot of 100% furballers wanting this to be furball only land... maybe we should have a map with 3 bases on it, all 5miles apart with massive ack coverage, so neither side can get vulched, that way there will be a 400 plane furball 24/7... is that what you want?

I dont want to stop your way of flying, and most the time i am flying your way (although probably worse

) but i like the diversity of this game, alowing you to get away from the normal stuff from time to time, dont you agree?

Virage · « **Reply #52 on:** March 17, 2004, 10:28:06 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2

What can a furballer do to ruin the game for dozens of mouse weilding strat girls? Your only fun is killing toolsheds and gas cans, how can a furballer ruin that for dozens of your ilk?

I mean, mostly we don't even try since the strat girls are such little fun to fight...
lazs

Does wonders for this game and community. Please stop attack posts.

mars01 · « **Reply #53 on:** March 17, 2004, 10:32:40 AM »

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its just annoying seeing alot of 100% furballers wanting this to be furball only land...

Since you included all the furballers here, I'll jump in. Name one person who you claim to be a 100% furballer that wants this to be furball only land, otherwise don't make statements that are complete speculation and write them like they are fact.

You have some good points and some bad ones don't get mared in the BS.

I have not met a furballer that wants to remove any choices other people have to enjoy the game. They just want the ability to furball added back to the maps where the current environment is Fuel Pork is king and the bases are too far apart.

Overlag · « **Reply #54 on:** March 17, 2004, 10:41:36 AM »

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Originally posted by mars01
Since you included all the furballers here, I'll jump in. Name one person who you claim to be a 100% furballer that wants this to be furball only land, otherwise don't make statements that are complete speculation and write them like they are fact.

the fact that most of you want bases within 5miles of each other
the fact that most of you wanted rid of night
the fact that most of you want rid of strat at bases (i just want it rebuilt faster or harder)
the fact that most of you (like laz) constantly call bombers girlies

did i miss anything?

edit: oh and when i say 100% furballer i mean just that, not that everyone that is a furballer at times wants everything removed, the fact that there are some people here that do 1 thing, and 1 thing only and moan about anyone doing anything else.

sure im moaning about them though so that makes me just as bad...

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Originally posted by Virage
Does wonders for this game and community. Please stop attack posts.

totaly true and proves one of my statments above.......

mars01 · « **Reply #55 on:** March 17, 2004, 11:06:24 AM »

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the fact that most of you want bases within 5miles of each other
the fact that most of you wanted rid of night
the fact that most of you want rid of strat at bases (i just want it rebuilt faster or harder)
the fact that most of you (like laz) constantly call bombers girlies

These are not facts. Yes some of the bases need to moved closer together much like Fester has done on his maps, this does not mean that all the bases, give and take here.

It is not just the furballers that want night removed.

I have not seen one thread that said remove strat from bases, I have seen a multitude of threads that say balance fuel pork with an equally easy fuel resupply or harden the fuel.

Laz called bombers girlies and you are trying to turn that into all the furballers. Cmon man

Don't ask for fairness and then make up stuff.

As for the personal attacks I agree, attack the claims not the person.

MadMan · « **Reply #56 on:** March 17, 2004, 01:58:38 PM »

I agree that if the Stat (factories) actually had more of an effect than bases straqt, more poeple would level bomb and less would be suicide Jabos...

The only Large strat that has any effect is HQ, and it just kills radar.

If you made fuel dependent on the Fuel Depot/Factory (same with ordinance) and not on the base, it would fix the problem. Make HQ responsible for DarBar and longrange Dot Radar. Leave local dotbar at bases. Leave Troops supplies at bases.

That would give the level bombers an actual use... to kill fuel and ordinacne, as well as radar at HQ. Woudl reduce the effect of suicide JABOs, only can kill troops/supplies and local enemy dotdar, they cannot reduce your fuel/ord there. Ths would also make fighters HAVE to get off the ground and try to intercept Bombers or pay the price.

mars01 · « **Reply #57 on:** March 17, 2004, 02:26:01 PM »

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That would give the level bombers an actual use... to kill fuel and ordinacne, as well as radar at HQ. Woudl reduce the effect of suicide JABOs, only can kill troops/supplies and local enemy dotdar, they cannot reduce your fuel/ord there. Ths would also make fighters HAVE to get off the ground and try to intercept Bombers or pay the price.

I like the idea if the strat that kills fuel and radar is based on zones rather than the whole map. Therefore there would be more strat to hit and killing one strat does not kill fuel and radar at every field only at the fields for that zone.

Then the strat needs to be hardened. One or two boxes of bombers should not be able to drop the strat. It should take many trips or a large concerted effort to reduce a zone to no radar and 25% fuel. Since killing strat like this affects many people it should take many people to kill it. Also Flack shoud be able to reach 25k and blanket the sky.

The rebuild time should also be scaled by the number of bases left in the zone. If the zone still has all its bases owned by the one country the strat should rebuild quickly, likewise if there are only a few fields left it should take longer for the strat to rebuild.

The only problem I see is if a zone is crippled then many of the defenders that would up from a base behind the front will not be able to and the zone may be left for dead and verry little opposition to the base captures may be put up. That is kind of boring dont you think?

NoBaddy · « **Reply #58 on:** March 17, 2004, 03:12:53 PM »

Frankly, as long as there is no penalty for dying...suicide jabo attacks will continue. In point of fact, suicide jabos even, potentially, can be rewarded in the scoring system. Personally, I'm for 'if you die...you get no score'.

As for level bombers, I would suggest a 5k hard deck to drop bombs. These days, most of them that I see are flying below radar and popping up to carpet bomb without using the bombsight. Making bombs unable to arm below 5k would do more to force folks flying bombers to attempt to use them in a historically correct manner.

lazs2 · « **Reply #59 on:** March 17, 2004, 03:13:02 PM »

My original idea long ago was to just have a few huge cities in each country that had to be carpet bombed to destroy.... It would take dozens of raids to leverl each city but when the city was leveled the 'war' was over... the strat gi... er..sis.. er "people" could hide from each other and kill buildings to their little hearts content... the rest of us could egange in air combat..

If people cared who 'won', they could intercept the gamey fluffs.

If not... they could engage in air combat.

lazs