AH fun has dissapeared

[Fishu]

You have done good RAM, 3 players!
Most I did get on latest try, was 1 player 90% of time and then rest of the times 2 players and once there was 3 players as one joined in bit late..

Mostly I was then taking fields all by myself, thanks to lack of intrest. (they couldn't get field even if it was 24 vs. 4!)

I must admit that getting good co-operation chance once per 24 hours played (probably..) gets boring.
Guess that belongs into my list also 'why' AH is kinda boring.

[RAM]

 

Originally posted by Maniac:
"and that is to expect a challenging fight from the con that is 10K over me, only to see him dive on my 12 to get a HO,"

If this is happening repeadetly (sp?) then i assure you that its _you_ who is who is doing something really wrong.

Really?...I'm not the one diving on a less-E plane to HO him  

And now ... the fun begins  :

 

Originally posted by Renfield:
Not much has changed has it?

Humm...Maybe my flying skills have improved a bit, but for sure what hasnt changed what I expect AH to be, and what is no more.

RAM, you do this to yourself. As being the target of your flames after shooting you down I can attest that you attack like an idiot.

ROFL...you earned your part of flames, man. You did a suicide HO in an one-life event, and got lucky enough to survive because I chose not to accept it isntead of firing and make both go down.

You got what you deserved.  

As far as I'm concerned, RAM, you are still a dweeb. One to be avoided if flying on the same side and one to hunt if flying on another. You aren't that good. Any time you get shot down, you are quick to blame and accuse. Every flyer in the arena is not an HO dweeb nor is every time you get killed one of you countrymen's fault for not calling your 6. If you are dying it is one person's fault - yours.

I die a lot LOL!. Many many times is a matter of skill from the other guy. In fact last days I have died only twice to enemy dweeb tactics. The problem is that I keep on seeing them trying to HO me like crazy, running when they are in the advantage and ack huggin all day long.

So "I am someone to avoid flying with"? LOL. I know quite many people who think the inverse. Not because "I'm not that good" (wich BTW is true and I always say that I suck), but because I dont shiver in diving to save a mate's skin clearing his 6 against all odds and because I do my best to call sixes and fly in cooperation.

But well you are right now one of those "hunting me" LOL!  


While I appreciate 6 calls, it is every pilot's own responsibility for their own SA. If you get blasted because you aren't paying attention, the ultimate blame is your own. In our altercation your plane was also pointed nose to mine - yet you continue to rant about it being my fault and lament "HO dweebs". You still don't get it - it always has and always will take two to HO.

LOL again this piece of crap?...ok my SA is my responsability, still in EVERY PLANE there are blind spots, and when I am trying to clear someone's six I MUST focus my attention on the con in my front to make him break before my mate dies. Anyway I wont try to make you understand this, oh, Renfield, Master of the Headon  

I wont discuss about the TOD incident (ROFL). There was enough talk on Special Events General. And the only impression that I got from there is that apart of a HO dweeb you are a lier.

Someone doesn't call my 6? I don't go on a rant like you do. I end up in an HO with someone? I don't go blasting them like you do. You act younger and younger RAM. I'm thinking you are 8-10 years old at this point. All this crying and I think a pacifier or diaper change might be just the ticket.

Hehehehhehehe...man really this is getting really FUN!  

This is it for me though. I'm not going to respond to any more of your troll posts but do intend to hunt you whenever possible. You will be a trophy kill, RAM. And an easy one I might add. And I'll take any shot I can to get you - HO or not. Actually, if I know it's you, I'll set up for the HO if possible just because you are pulling all this crap on the boards and in the arena.

LOL!!! Hey I am a trophy for someone!...but dont count on that of "easy", dweeb. You wont find me killed by your Dweeb HOs as in the TOD mission.  

[]I've dropped you before and I'll do it again. You just aren't that good a pilot. And I eagerly await your yelling to your countryment for not protecting your 6 and to me for not holding still for you and giving you the easy shot.[/B][/QUOTE]

I'm not that good pilot. LOL I know it, and never have a problem in allowing it. The problem is-at least I am not a gaming-the-game HO dweeb like other people (you the biggest  ). I love the challenge of REALISTIC AH. Dweebs spoit it.

Hahahah keep the fun up, renfield. You are funny  

[BUG_EAF322]

I got into 5 potential good dogfight.
what happened even when they where higher they dive from over 20k to sealevel to their own troops waiting for other to solve their problems . Even cons at higher altituded in similar planes also did this.
Where is the guts too fight in H2H my experience with this is alot better.
I really like too die in a good dogfight.

i can understand when someone run away while overwelmed by enemy, but in these cases i was very alone.

damn i'm beginning too squeak here

S! chaps

[RAM]

 

Originally posted by Renfield:

What's going on is RAM is in a slump. RAM can't get any kills recently so RAM feels he must blame everyone but himself. That is all that is going on. RAM wants attention so he trolls in here squeaking about someone pointing their plane AT him (the absolute horror!) but also bleats if they point their plane away.

The hypocrisy there is pretty damn thick.

I think the only ones that you <S> are the ones you kill. Anyone that kills you obviously must have been gaming, HO'ing, or some lame-o didn't call your 6.

Yeah, right. Dweeb.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yesterday I died 3 times and got 9 kills. sunday night I got 2 computer locks, still got 8 kills,no deaths. Last thursday (weekend with no computer, big party here in bilbao   ) I got a 7 kill streak sortie and 4 kills in the next one for no deaths...And ask JediAce what happened in Wednesday   ...that 4 on one fight where I killed them all in a G10 with no rudder...   Ask him if I tried to run, or I stayed and fighted them all   (well to be true at the start we were 4-2, rebel was with me, but he died when a yak sneaked in him, regardless that I called his 6  )

ROFL!

BTW the salutes to skilled people always go when I am dead. When I kill someone I dont S! him unless it has been a WONDERFUL fight with nice moves from his side...or he salutes me  

REnfield...more ,please, more!!!!!!!!  


[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 08-29-2000).]

[Mighty1]

Ram as far as 6 calls go I agree they don't come like they used to but....

I was on last night when you went off about not getting a 6 call in time. You got the call as soon as the guy could give it to you and you still yelled at him.

Call it netlag call it slow typing but please try not to yell at people who tried to help you. The more people you piss off the more people who WON'T give you a 6 call.

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The New Baby Harp Seals
"Come try to club THIS Seal"

[RAM]

 

Originally posted by Mighty1:
I was on last night when you went off about not getting a 6 call in time. You got the call as soon as the guy could give it to you and you still yelled at him.

Mighty, net lag is one thing. To see a six call when I have had no wing and I am smoking down to earth for 10 seconds is another thing. I took it as a bad joke.

And BTW I didnt yell at him. I only said that thanks for the no call. When someone said I had my 6 called then I said that it was far too late. no insult no yell nothing more than a fact. There was no 6 call until it was a joke.

[StSanta]

Mostly, no 6 calls don't piss me off. I die because I lose my SA, which has been horrible lately.

But, when there are 10 friendlies nearby, and only two enemy (one I am chasing, along with two friendlies) and the second riendly dive for my 6, and ALL the other knights do NOT call 6, I get irritated.

I call 6's as much as possible, even if it means possibly giving up a snapshot. If yu save a friendly pilot, well, the enemy has one more to fight.

But, while 6 calls have declined, I still feel that the quality knight pilots make them - Ziggie, crabo, WC, well, you all know who you are. We just need to educate the *new guys* in proper etiquette.

Has anyone ever created some form of AH ettiquette thing? Might be useful.



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StSanta
JG54 "Grünherz"
"If you died a stones throw from your wingie; you did no wrong". - Hangtime

[Suave1]

I don't get too bent out of shape over what happens in the MA, it is after all what we used to call in AW, a pork arena, ultimately just a place to practice for scenarios . Yes AH needs a historical arena, but when we get it you'll find that the majority of the players will still prefer pork .

[Minotaur]

Ram;

I get the notion that anyone who does not play how you want them to is a Dweeb.  You ever consider that it could also be you who does not play the way that others want you to play?

It sounds like maybe your EGO is converting consistent thoughts into emotional thoughts.  Emotional thoughts producing emotional outbursts.  Have faith, this is somewhat true for most individuals.  However; some choose to less vocal about it than you choose to be.

Get this...

The MA is un-organized un-structured amd mostly un-kind.  There are no player rules in the MA.  There are only boundaries set by HTC within the game.  There is no grandious protocal or honor system for how to play.  You get to play it anyway you want to as does any other individual who plays in the MA.

My suggestion?  Take a break, you will enjoy the game much more as it tends to mellow out your perspective.  You seem to be suffering a might from burnout.

At any rate, Good Luck!  

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The Wrecking Crew
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"Mino I love you man but that is a bunch of baloney."
Funked

[Mox]

In defense of RAM I must explain why he was upset as I would have been just as upset if it was me on the other side of the crosshairs.

RAM,  I can only assume you're talking about the kill I got on you at 26 yesterday.  It was a furball ranging from about 0K to 12K where RAM was one of the highest alt Rooks (I was flying Knights as usual). I watched as RAM dove down to clear the six of another Rook pilot while saving that Rook RAM placed himself almost under me, I rolled, dove and followed RAM back up as he tried to gain his alt back after saving the other Rook (I was under RAM he could not see me) closed to 200 and fired 2 burst, the second burst removed his right wing.  It was a clear case of no 6 call, he never jinked or did anything to avoid the shells until it was too late.  If I remember correctly there were at least 8 Rooks airborne at that time.

RAM could have easily ran to the ack and hugged it like most of the Rooks have been doing at 26 for the last 3 days instead of saving the other Rook.  

I saluted RAM on channel 1 and got a salute back.  

I know this is not the only reason RAM posted his message here but I too feel the lack of fun and good fights slowly leaving the AH MA.  Every single person I’ve brought to AH that subscribed has canceled their account except one and he’s told me this is his last month.  

AH was such a challenge to me when I started in beta.  I have less than 8 months of actual online flight experience with real players.  I’m starting to be able to pick out the newbie’s by the way the fly and the lack of ACM.   I’m not sure if it’s me that’s getting better or there’s just more people that are much worse than me.    It appears that the quality of fights has drastically slowed down in the MA.

Mox

[Sparks]

to RAM and all the other whining "experts"

from Sparks - dweeb cannon fodder

Point 1:-
AH has decent flight models that are hard to learn and some people will find it more difficult than others. This leads to people finding their own ways to survive as there is no structured training. If you are new and not very good and HO's get you some kills what would you do??

Point 2:-
If you want to stay alive and don't feel you're in a good position you run - thats natural. What may be different is peoples perception of a good position - especially for people who aren't good.

Point 3:-
If you want more people to fly against and more people to stay in AH then do you think calling people HO dweeb and chicken is an effective way of doing it??? If you think peoples tactics are wrong then try acting like adults and approaching them on private channel and maybe offer to show them what you mean in the TA.

Point :-
I have missed my share of 6 calls - why? .... when I'm in a dogfight I have enough trouble finding the zoom keys without typing as well - need more hands and a bigger brain - 'fraid it may have to wait for evolution or my skills to improve so to all you Bishes out there who see me join a dogfight - I'll call a six as soon as I get the brain power free  

I have a definition I like to use at times like this: - EXPERT[/i] - noun - "EX" as in "has-been" and "SPERT" as in "drip under pressure".......

If you want people to fly to your standard then teach them and support them while they learn - don't trash them on the BBS.

[This message has been edited by Sparks (edited 08-29-2000).]

[YankeeStation]

I don't want to get involved in the HO debate AGAIN but I think it's slightly ironic that the same people who ask for more realism <S!> whine about the HO's and runs which were a integral part of historical air combat. (ignore this I got carried away again   )

But the fact that the 6 calls are becoming as rare as nice fights in the arena pisses me off as well, maybe it will improve in time???? I think that if everbody tries to do it as often and accurate as possible more people will pick the habit up!

On the raids, When I was in my trial period, months ago everybody cooperated and together put an effort together, now there are only few people who are willing to set up a raid (2 or 3 at a time) Of course lotsa guys are in the air at all times but nowadays the response is very low.........  

maybe it'll improve in time??????

BTW: I anxiously await the historical Arenas, they will solve a lot I think!

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Oh Jeez, if I only had a rearview mirror!

Bies

 

And bring the A26 and Hurricane (Mk IIC/D) to AH!!!

[This message has been edited by YankeeStation (edited 08-29-2000).]

[Fishu]

 

Originally posted by StSanta:
Mostly, no 6 calls don't piss me off. I die because I lose my SA, which has been horrible lately.

But, when there are 10 friendlies nearby, and only two enemy (one I am chasing, along with two friendlies) and the second riendly dive for my 6, and ALL the other knights do NOT call 6, I get irritated.

I call 6's as much as possible, even if it means possibly giving up a snapshot. If yu save a friendly pilot, well, the enemy has one more to fight.

But, while 6 calls have declined, I still feel that the quality knight pilots make them - Ziggie, crabo, WC, well, you all know who you are. We just need to educate the *new guys* in proper etiquette.

Has anyone ever created some form of AH ettiquette thing? Might be useful.

Never ever trust on anyone else unless you know someone personally worth your trust.
Every time I've tried to trust on others, like in furballs etc., I've found out myself being alone with couple while ten others gangs on lone enemy on treetop level.

Never ever help anyone who has put himself  obviously in helpless situation. (in situation where even 5 friendlies wouldn't be enough)

I remember once when I asked escorts for my B-26 at 12k altitude, 5 fighter jocks around me were up for covering me...
I called out low 109 which was no threat at all and asked them to just keep with me.. right after I yelled out 15k P-51 coming straight in 12, and noticed that everyone of them who agreed to escort me, were down to gang harmless 109, none stayed up! (happily I got P51 with loss of engine and cursed them all to hell in my mind)

so.. even if they tell they will cover you, don't trust them.

[Replicant]

I've seen the 'escort buff' syndrome a fair few times Fishu!    Where's my escorts gone?  I've got 3 high inbounds on me...  

I try to give 6 calls when I can, sometimes it's difficult to tell just which direction some planes are going.  I remember leaving a scene in a buff and noticing another buff had a 109 near it (had no idea whether it was pointing at the buff as there were many planes around).  This was from about 7k away and I called 6 but it was too late.  I then got moaned at for not calling 6 earlier yet there were many other countrymen closer to this buff than I was.  Oh well....  

Regards

'Nexx'

[Yeager]

RAM is a dweeblet!

 

Yeager