Author Topic: UK/Europe AH BBS (Read 2320 times)

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #30 on:** March 16, 2004, 11:07:40 AM »

DETH TO EUREEEPKA!!!

Monk · « **Reply #31 on:** March 16, 2004, 11:10:31 AM »

Americans Suck!!

Replicant · « **Reply #32 on:** March 16, 2004, 11:24:33 AM »

We wanna talk about European Sheep!

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #33 on:** March 16, 2004, 11:40:18 AM »

European sheep dont shave.

Not interested in picking wool out of my teeth, thanks.

Dowding · « **Reply #34 on:** March 16, 2004, 11:42:30 AM »

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Actually Curval, to be fair, I've never seen a post saying that.

Doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I've seen it a few times. The people who have written it have generally been regarded as tards by just about everyone however.

Not sure how that relates to Toad's 'free speech' ideas though.

Saintaw · « **Reply #35 on:** March 16, 2004, 11:49:03 AM »

I'm starting to get a funny feeling.

SW wants to spend some tme with me during the night
I'll have breakfast with Funked
And I have a walk on the beach planned with Airhead and SOB.

What's next? Dowding's going to ask me out for a date?

Toad · « **Reply #36 on:** March 16, 2004, 11:51:34 AM »

Allow me.

IMO, there is a clear disconnect when it comes to the understanding of "free speech".

I think most of us in the US understand that it means "I am free to speak my mind, just as YOU are free to speak YOUR mind. It doesn't mean that everyone has to agree. Quite the contrary, it's expected that there will be disagreement and that this is a normal, accepted and even usually a good thing."

OTOH, I often get the feeling that the Euros seem to think "free speech" means "everyone is free to agree with me" or perhaps "free to agree with the current PC view" of the particular situation. Those that disagree are "free to keep their mouths shut." Dissent is rarely viewed as a good thing, rather those that go against the grain are suspect. IMO.

Now, the "This is an American BBS, so if you don't like it, don't read it" ties in this way. No matter where the BBS is based or what nationality predomniates, one is ALWAYS free to ignore any or all discussions. That's a personal freedom you control. If it bothers you, don't read further and certainly don't respond.

If you choose to read or respond or to NOT read or respond that is a FREE CHOICE that YOU are making. That's a good thing.

There.

Dowding · « **Reply #37 on:** March 16, 2004, 12:06:11 PM »

Excellent. Completely irrelevant to what I was asking, but excellent nonetheless.

"This is an American BBS, run by Americans, in America... so piss off" is not a 'right to disagree' issue. It's more of a "Your opinion is not as valid as mine because I'm an American on an American BBS and you're... not" kind of issue.

Which is retarded.

Everybody reserves the right to disagree for sure. Your definition of free speech doesn't seem to match mine, which actually involves dissent. What we have here is people being told to **** off based on the location of the HTC server. Seems a bit odd to my mind, but then I don't live in the same galaxy as you.

La.

AKIron · « **Reply #38 on:** March 16, 2004, 12:10:59 PM »

Lemme add to what Toad said about free speech. The phrase "freedom of speech" in the first amendment to the US Constitution applies to government censorship.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

It doesn't mean I can't shout you down if I don't like what you are saying. You may call be an bellybutton for doing so but to say I am depriving you of your constitutional right is to misunderstand the amendment.

ravells · « **Reply #39 on:** March 16, 2004, 12:13:57 PM »

Dowding Said:

Doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I've seen it a few times. The people who have written it have generally been regarded as tards by just about everyone however.

Ah ok. I was just reporting my own observations.

Toad: We all enjoy a debate, Euros and Americans alike, and if anything, I would say that (in my experience) Americans are more PC on a host of issues than Euros. Having said that a little civility helps. And yes, I do get exercised when some twit (who happens to be American in this case) makes inappropriate comments about the Spanish when they have just suffered a national disaster. Like all freedoms, even the freedom of speech can be abused; as I would say it was in that case. Skuzzy shut down the thread because of this.

Ravs

Dowding · « **Reply #40 on:** March 16, 2004, 12:14:38 PM »

You can shout someone down all you like. The point is whether that is decent behaviour. Where I was brought up... it isn't. The clever thing would be to make them look a fool by out-witting them.

But if you are shouting someone down I guess that option isn't open to you.

Steve · « **Reply #41 on:** March 16, 2004, 12:16:14 PM »

I wonder if Europeans will ever get over the fact that they are not Americans. It never seems to stop bothering them.

Dowding · « **Reply #42 on:** March 16, 2004, 12:19:31 PM »

Curval · « **Reply #43 on:** March 16, 2004, 12:27:28 PM »

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Originally posted by Steve
I wonder if Europeans will ever get over the fact that they are not Americans. It never seems to stop bothering them.

ravells...this is the sort of thing I am talking about. It isn't exactly "This is an American BBS etc etc"...but it pretty much epitomises the atitude of some Americans here.

Thanks Steve for proving my point so eloquently.

ravells · « **Reply #44 on:** March 16, 2004, 12:37:41 PM »

Lol! Curval. Thanks, I see now.

Ravs