Author Topic: @Ring. Bf 109 F-4 speed specs (Read 4893 times)

VO101_Isegrim · « **on:** March 17, 2004, 01:01:56 PM »

Hi Ring, I was browsing through my archieves of the more interesting posts, and I found a post from you with some F-4 data, at 2890kg, with max speed of 540 km/h at SL, and 670 km/h at 6.25km.

Can you post some more details of this ?

Batz · « **Reply #1 on:** March 17, 2004, 02:59:48 PM »

Who's Ring?

LEMB 109F-4 Discussion

AH 109F-4

Normal loaded weight

6393 lbs.

Armament:

20 mm MG 151/20 150 rpg

2x7.9 mm MG 17 500 rpg

2x20 mm MG 151/20 Gondolas 125 rpg (how many "F's" used gondolas?)

250 kg GP bomb

Drop tank

Batz · « **Reply #2 on:** March 17, 2004, 03:02:35 PM »

F1/F2 Kennblatt PDF (F1/F2 data sheet)

Amerikanische Beschreibung der F4 PDF (American Evaluation Report of a F4)

butch2k · « **Reply #3 on:** March 17, 2004, 03:09:06 PM »

Armament should be MG151/20 Motorenkannon with 200 rounds not 150 and 135 rounds for the gondolas.
Only 240 F-4/R1 were produced, but it does not necessarily mean they carried the gondolas, only that they could carry it. The Rüstsatz VII (Gondolas) requiring modified F-4 airframes for mounting, those airframe being identified as F-4/R1.

Batz · « **Reply #4 on:** March 17, 2004, 03:17:38 PM »

The 109F-4 has 150 rounds in AH. Even though we know 200 rounds was max capacity its the opinion of some (and apparently the designer) that the standard was 150 rounds (or less the 200 rpg anyway) inorder to reduce jamming.

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All the 109 mg151/20mm nose cannons carry 150rpg in AH.

Pyro · « **Reply #5 on:** March 17, 2004, 04:12:27 PM »

Interesting thing about the ammo load. Back in WB, I actually did have the F-4 set up for 200 rounds and the G-6 set up for 150. I don't remember what prompted me to move to the smaller loadout in AH. At any rate, unless somebody has a strong argument against, I have no problem in offering a max load loadout.

Kweassa · « **Reply #6 on:** March 17, 2004, 06:55:44 PM »

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have no problem in offering a max load loadout

Yes please!!!!

This has been mentioned, and a lot of people faithfully requested the extra 50 rounds

I don't see any reason why the 109s shouldn't get a max loadout as an option, when P-47s and P-38s and etc, all have the extra ammunition as an option.

!!!!!!

Batz · « **Reply #7 on:** March 17, 2004, 06:56:19 PM »

I don't think anyone will argue with that. Whats your opinion on the g2 having 200rpg?

Charge · « **Reply #8 on:** March 18, 2004, 03:54:55 AM »

Since the cannon jams are not modelled all a/c should have their max load-outs what ever the field practice would have been. So 200pcs of 20mm, please.

It would also be nice to have the 15mm option for F (talk about a laser there...).

-C+

butch2k · « **Reply #9 on:** March 18, 2004, 04:44:38 AM »

Moreover i have several maintenance order and field manuals covering the ammo loading as well as tests and i never found any restriction to the amount of ammo carried.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #10 on:** March 18, 2004, 09:47:55 AM »

Yea 200 rounds plaese, that would be great!!!

Pyro I have also seen some sources claiming the correct 30mm ammo load for Bf109 is 65 rounds instead of 60.

Does anyone else remember seeing that info?

Cuz it could be nice to get a few extra rounds if they actually had them that way.

butch2k · « **Reply #11 on:** March 18, 2004, 10:12:28 AM »

Yes since i'm the one who produced the documents, so yes the MK108 was loaded with 65 rounds.

Wmaker · « **Reply #12 on:** March 18, 2004, 11:23:13 AM »

Here's a document from finnish State Aircraft Factory which instructs how to load the ammo box. As you can see after 155 rounds loaded there is still considerable space left in the box.

Very good news Pyro!!

Looking forward of those 50 rounds in AHII!

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #13 on:** March 18, 2004, 01:56:49 PM »

Thats for the Bf109G2?

JB73 · « **Reply #14 on:** March 18, 2004, 02:04:40 PM »

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Originally posted by Pyro
Interesting thing about the ammo load. Back in WB, I actually did have the F-4 set up for 200 rounds and the G-6 set up for 150. I don't remember what prompted me to move to the smaller loadout in AH. At any rate, unless somebody has a strong argument against, I have no problem in offering a max load loadout.

will changins this add weight to the nose in the model?

if so how much? do you forsee it changing the chareristics of the plane in AH (in the way it flies)?