Debate

[MadMan]

Thanks to the people who actually used Reason...  I guess I might try some of the things you suggested.

But to Mr Flyingaround... i know ACM, I have known ACm, and will always know ACM, I could prefrom tons and tons of ACM in my sleep in a C-47 if necessary.  BUT... in the MA ACM is of little use due to all the smacktards that wouldn't know ACM from ATM.

If someone points their nose at mine and I see tracers, I'm gonna fire back... normally this person opens fire at d1.2 for some reason, so i return fire at a reasonable distance.  If they do not go down on that pass, I will eventually work my way on to their six or get some nice deflection shots and take them down...  Most of the fighter jocks in the MA have the attention span of 2year olds and will lose track of well flown planes quickly making them easy prey.

On collisons:  Like I've stated in many other threads... the current model punishes players because we are not all plugged into a SuperLAN and have to use the internet.  I just do not see how people like you can call this the best way to handle collisions?  Either both planes should take damage or neither should...  it's that simple.  Don't punish one player and reward the other because of their latency.  That's all I am asking for is a fair system to handle collsions.  Either both take damage or neither.

[Wilbus]

MadMan, such a colission system wouldn't work, there would be too many intentional rams I believe, sure thing it happaned in real life, some russians did it when they ran out of ammo and germans in the Sturmstaffeln would do it if they failed downing the bombers with guns. But in AH there would be too many rams as you really don't have to care about dying, all you have to do is re-up again, takes 20 seconds and you're in the air again. Just imagine a raid inbound a field, bombers coming in, all you have to do is ram em to knock em down.

in a perfect world with no internet lag and everybody has got <10 ms to the server it would work, but not when there are people all over the world.

[flyingaround]

Originally posted by MadMan

But to Mr Flyingaround... i know ACM, I have known ACm, and will always know ACM, I could prefrom tons and tons of ACM in my sleep in a C-47 if necessary.  BUT... in the MA ACM is of little use due to all the smacktards that wouldn't know ACM from ATM.

If someone points their nose at mine and I see tracers, I'm gonna fire back... normally this person opens fire at d1.2 for some reason, so i return fire at a reasonable distance.  If they do not go down on that pass, I will eventually work my way on to their six or get some nice deflection shots and take them down...  Most of the fighter jocks in the MA have the attention span of 2year olds and will lose track of well flown planes quickly making them easy prey.
 

Thank you for proving my point.  I THOUGHT I had you pegged for a HO'r.  This is why you get rammed so much.  Quit using that ACM in your sleep and start using it while flying.  When they go guns blazing at 1.2 here's some tips.
http://www.netaces.org/genmerges/openmove.html#title

also at http://www.netaces.org read the bit on LEAD TURNS.  I'll give you a quote from the last paragraph.

The moral of the story is, DONT JUST FLY STRAIGHT AT HIM! Timing is everything here. Head on shots may get you some hits, and even some kills, but they will work against you as often as for you.

-Lute
III/JG26 9th ST WidowMakers

p.s. you still didn't give me your CPID you fly under so I can look at your stat's.  Mine would be under WMLute

[Redd]

Originally posted by MadMan
Thanks to the people who actually used Reason...  I guess I might try some of the things you suggested.

But to Mr Flyingaround... i know ACM, I have known ACm, and will always know ACM, I could prefrom tons and tons of ACM in my sleep in a C-47 if necessary.  BUT... in the MA ACM is of little use due to all the smacktards that wouldn't know ACM from ATM.

If someone points their nose at mine and I see tracers, I'm gonna fire back... normally this person opens fire at d1.2 for some reason, so i return fire at a reasonable distance.  If they do not go down on that pass, I will eventually work my way on to their six or get some nice deflection shots and take them down...  Most of the fighter jocks in the MA have the attention span of 2year olds and will lose track of well flown planes quickly making them easy prey.

On collisons:  Like I've stated in many other threads... the current model punishes players because we are not all plugged into a SuperLAN and have to use the internet.  I just do not see how people like you can call this the best way to handle collisions?  Either both planes should take damage or neither should...  it's that simple.  Don't punish one player and reward the other because of their latency.  That's all I am asking for is a fair system to handle collsions.  Either both take damage or neither.

Just to reiterate


The collision model is the best possible solution. Have flown other models and they are not as good. This one is by far the "fairest" solution


You are colliding because you are going for HO's


When you see the other guys shooting you know you have him beaten in the first merge - simple as that.

When you see the other guy come at you HO shooting from 1.2  you know  more than  likely, you are going against a very ordinary (at best) pilot.

If you shoot back you are more than likely, a very ordinary (at best) pilot.




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[MadMan]

I wish you people would actuially take the time to read...

Talking to you reminds me of my two year old cousin arguing, except he occasionally has valid points.

[LePaul]

I recant my earlier advice.

Just quit.  

[flyingaround]

Originally posted by MadMan
I wish you people would actuially take the time to read...

Talking to you reminds me of my two year old cousin arguing, except he occasionally has valid points.

Nobody is attacking you Max, and even though you have resorted to childish digs, I will try to help one last time.  

1.  The planes are not actually ramming.  What you and your nme see are 2 diff. things.
2.  Due to the lag, both planes are not in the same place on both peoples front end.
3.  What you see as a Ram, wasn't, if your opponent isn't taking any damage.  THEIR computer didn't see the ram, YOURS did.  
You rammed them.
4.  If you insist on going nose on in your merge, rams will happen over and over.  going  for the HO, you set yourself up for a collision.
5  .By using some basic tactics, you avoid this situation completely.

It's not AH's collision model that is at fault here, it's lag.  You have been told how to avoid it.  Don't blame AH for what YOU choose to do Mr. "ACM in your sleep".  If you are unable to see this, then the heck with it.  PLEASE quit.  Far 2 many HO dweeb jousters flying Aces High as it is.

-Lute
III/JG26 9th ST WidowMakers

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Originally posted by flyingaround
Nobody is attacking you Max, and even though you have resorted to childish digs, I will try to help one last time.  

1.  The planes are not actually ramming.  What you and your nme see are 2 diff. things.
2.  Due to the lag, both planes are not in the same place on both peoples front end.
3.  What you see as a Ram, wasn't, if your opponent isn't taking any damage.  THEIR computer didn't see the ram, YOURS did.  
You rammed them.
4.  If you insist on going nose on in your merge, rams will happen over and over.  going  for the HO, you set yourself up for a collision.
5  .By using some basic tactics, you avoid this situation completely.

It's not AH's collision model that is at fault here, it's lag.  You have been told how to avoid it.  Don't blame AH for what YOU choose to do Mr. "ACM in your sleep".  If you are unable to see this, then the heck with it.  PLEASE quit.  Far 2 many HO dweeb jousters flying Aces High as it is.

-Lute
III/JG26 9th ST WidowMakers

The thing that amazes me everytime I see guys on the buffer complaining about being HO/rammed etc is that in all the times I have died in collisions over the years (possibly hundreds ) there was probably a handful of times that I could blame somebody or something else or it was just a very unlucky accident.

99% of cases it's my own fault .




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[Shane]

you're too new to want to try and develop ulcers.


here's the best advice i could give you for now:

[NoBaddy]

Originally posted by MadMan
I wish you people would actuially take the time to read...

Talking to you reminds me of my two year old cousin arguing, except he occasionally has valid points.

In point of fact, if you bothered to take your own advice, you would find answers to most of your problems already posted in the BBs. Since you don't, one can only assume you are better off arguing with your cousin (at least he won't tell you to STFU! ).

[MadMan]

Shane, nice self portrait there, bet you pick up all the chicks.


FlyingAround, the thing is, on these collisions, I do NOT see the plane ramming me on my screen, just wondering if the my FE and my computer screen are seeing two different things.





On a side note:  I've also learned one more thing... next time I have a problem with something, I think I'll just take it straight to customer support.  Most of the people who post on this BB add zero to any discussion.

[Shane]

the FE *is* your computer/screen.

you don't have any problems that a few more months won't cure. nor are any of your problems unique to you. do a search on all the topics you've whined about.

and fwiw, none of them are "problems" per se, but rather merely the whining of an evolving seal.  cheer up, it'll get better once you get past the HO's suck and spin o death phases. (disbale stall limiter, if you haven't.  if you don;t even know what i'm referring to then all i can do is refer you to the post above and rtfm while you're doing it.

[SlapShot]

"I've also learned one more thing... next time I have a problem with something, I think I'll just take it straight to customer support. Most of the people who post on this BB add zero to any discussion."

Good .. save us the time reading your pompous whines ... err ... problems.

"Talking to you reminds me of my two year old cousin arguing, except he occasionally has valid points."

The way you have presented your whine .. err .. problem tends to lead one to believe that you have spent too much time arguing with 2 year olds.

Oh ... by the way ... 2 year olds don't argue ... they whine.

[MadMan]

see slap shot, exactly waht I mean... you added absolutely nothing of value to this thread.  Why did you have to post that?  Was in necessary?  

By the way.  I have plenty of experience in this game...  Played for about a year, took a year off, been playing again for the past 4months.

[Shane]

were your post(s) necessary?

did they add anything of value?

are you the pot or kettle?

in any case, $15/mo could buy a lot of tums....